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- From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
- Subject: Re: Senate Interrogation
- Message-ID: <schuck.721855327@sfu.ca>
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- Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
- Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
- References: <17215@mindlink.bc.ca> <1992Nov7.145557.8077@julian.uwo.ca> <schuck.721165680@sfu.ca> <LABACH.92Nov9083820@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> <92316.135417SPRAGGEJ@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <schuck.721543654@sfu.ca> <92317.121200SPRAGGEJ@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <schuck.721608394@sfu.ca> <92318.143616SPRAGGEJ@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <schuck.721767010@sfu.ca> <92319.191414SPRAGGEJ@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
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- Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:22:07 GMT
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- John G. Spragge <SPRAGGEJ@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
-
- >In article <schuck.721767010@sfu.ca>, schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan
- >Schuck) says:
-
- >>I would disagree on contribution to the war effort. I shudder to think
- >>what projects might have been completed by Germany without bombing
- >>attacks. The atomic bomb come to mind. I also wonder how many more
- >>tanks and planes and ships would have been completed, and how many
- >>more would have reached the front.
-
- >Since we have already established that German military production
- >continued to rise throughout the period of bombing,
-
- Until Mid-1944 as someone wrote in todays paper.
-
- >such objective
- >evidence as we have suggests the bombing did not slow production
- >down much, if at all.
-
- You can prove what German production would have been without bombing
- then? I can't. Nobody can. It's all a guess.
-
- >I challenge you to come up with one major
- >weapon or division that British strategic bombing stopped.
-
- I challenge you to produce figures for German industrial production if
- allied bombing had not taken place.
-
- >As for
- >your shudder about nuclear weapons, Germany did not get close to
- >developing them (scholars suggest the top German physicist
- >deliberately sabotaged the nuclear weapons project). However, since
- >the RAF could not stop Von Braun's rocket program, I suggest that
- >bombing would not have prevented the Germans from developing nuclear
- >weapons.
-
- Germany was very close scientifically, but did not commit the massive
- economic resources necessary for bomb production. That may be they
- were too busy countering the destruction caused by allied bombing. I
- can't prove it. Its a guess. Just as your assertions are guesses.
-
- >>Very true. But I disagree that bombing of Germany was a tragic
- >>blunder.
-
- >Because you don't want it to have been a tragic blunder? Because you
- >want to believe it attacked targets Air Marshall Harris himself admitted
- >he could not hit, stopping production lines we know did not stop
- >producing military goods? On what do you base this assertion? Your dislike
- >of historians who claim it was a tragic blunder? I'll append my sources
- >below.
-
- Tragic blunder? The allies had to fight back somehow. Bombing was one
- of the few ways open to them.
-
- >>England switched to night bombing because the casulties were so high.
- >>The English bombers were not as well armoured or armed as the US B-17
- >>and B-24's. The US chose to fight during the day while the English
- >>fought at night.
-
- >Wrong. Bomber command never made strategic raids during the day.
-
- Early in the war they did, and they lost a lot of planes.
-
- >The US designed their air force for precision daylight bombing.
-
- The US did not get to Europe until 1942. They had two years of
- learning from the British experience.
-
- >> And if you remember, the bombing of Iraq's military and
- >>military industrial complex did a great job of bring Iraq to its knees.
-
- >It did no such thing. The UN Allies defeated Iraq the old fashioned
- >way: they launched a ground offensive with better cavalry, better tanks,
- >and better generals than the Iraqis. Iraq did not pull out (or try to)
- >before the US armoured divisions chased them out.
-
- You are dense. The estimate is that over 50% of the Iraqi military had
- fled the front lines by the time of the allied assault. Troops
- couldn't get to the front lines, transportation was completely
- disrupted. And the vast majority of bombs dropped by the allies were
- old iron dumb bombs dropped by B-52's.
-
-
- You fail to suggest a resonable alternative for the allies during
- WWII. You would have just had them sitting there, letting the
- Luftwaffe bomb the crap out of London and other British cities without
- striking back. Thats ludicrous. The people would not have allowed
- their leaders to sit and do nothing.
-
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