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- From: pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew)
- Newsgroups: ca.politics
- Subject: Re: How Many Homosexuals?
- Message-ID: <197387@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov>
- Date: 16 Nov 92 11:29:24 GMT
- References: <1992Nov9.004823.3211@u.washington.edu> <13122@optilink.UUCP> <13176@optilink.UUCP>
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- Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Image Processing Lab
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- In article <13176@optilink.UUCP>, cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
- > In article <13122@optilink.UUCP>, walsh@optilink.UUCP (Mark Walsh) writes:
- >>
- >> Talk about a skewed sample. You are making the remarkable
- >> assumption that the percentage of gays over 65 is the same
- >> as the percentage of those under 65. A smoking survey that
- >> I recently read showed that gay men are far more likely to
- >> smoke cigarettes than straight men. This factor alone would
- >> significantly alter the number of gay men who make it to 65.
- >> There are too many other variables to list.
- >
- > No surprise about the smoking.
- >
- > Halliday (1985) identifies migraine headaches, back problems,
- > stomach problems, infections (27 per cent of her sample
- > had hysterectomies because of infections), anorexia, obesity,
- > asthma (especially among male victims of oral sex), epilepsy,
- > multiple personality, addictions, severe depression, self-
- > ^^^^^^^^^^
- > multilation, and increased acceptance of pain, as long-
- > term sequels. She found that male victims tend to be more
- > aggressive or externalizing of their distress, while females
- > tend to be more internalizing and self-destructive.[Bagley
- > & King, 119; also see Everstine & Everstine, 387]
-
- No surprise about your continued misuse of evidence. Halliday's work was
- about victims of child molestation, not homosexuals. To apply it to homo-
- sexuals is dishonest and a perversion of her work. The conclusions are
- *yours*, not hers, and are not supported by her research. You have pre-
- sented no concrete evidence on:
-
- 1) how many men who were molested as children become gay
- 2) of these, how many had other contributing factors
- 2) how many gay men were molested as children
-
- Without these numbers, your claims, as usual, are unsupported by any evidence.
-
- As an alternative explanation, may I suggest you research the issue of self-
- esteem? You will find that victims of low self-esteem are more likely to
- engage in addictive behavior of one kind or another. When you conduct further
- research and find that, largely due to the attitudes of people like you,
- homosexuals suffer from low self-esteem, you have a much simpler analysis
- which does not require large amount of hand-waving to justify.
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- | many things..." Lewis Carroll
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