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Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU Path: sparky!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!ukma!psuvax1!psuvm!auvm!UCSBUXA.BITNET!LB05GATE Approved-By: "Leslie M. Haas" <LHAAS@KENTVM.BITNET> Message-ID: <9211162349.AA03602@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.libref-l Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:43:31 EDT Sender: 'Discussion of Library Reference Issues' <LIBREF-L@KENTVM.BITNET> From: "Rick Gates" <lb05gate@UCSBUXA.BITNET> Subject: November Hunt Results Lines: 981 ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- *************************************************************** * * * RESULTS OF THE NOVEMBER 92 INTERNET HUNT * * * * (warning: extremely long message) * * * * (lean quite heavily on the delete key) * *************************************************************** The winner for this months Hunt is: Hope N. Tillman Director of Libraries Babson College Babson Park MA 02157-0310 Hope scored the maximum points, 49, in an entry dated Sun, Nov 1, 5:10 EST. Some of you may recall that Hope was our first winner. Congratulations on a job well done! I also received the first team entry for the Hunt. Congratulations to: The Polar Raiders The University of Tromsoe Norway The Polar Raiders scored 40 points. As always, if any players would like to receive their scored entry, feel free to send me a message. STATISTICS ---------- Once again, we are up in total number of players, 27 in all this time. In addition, I received numerous messages carrying comments, suggestions, questions, and good words of support. A STATEMENT OF DIRECTION ------------------------ One of the primary comments that I've received is "OK, I see how your players accessed the information they're after, but how do they know where to begin looking? Where do they start? With anything as large, dynamic and unique as the Internet, there are, as one might guess, many different theories about how to get started. These seem to fall into a couple of major camps. The *extremes* of these two camps are: Camp 1: Let's get this damn thing organized. We want a set of indexes to the whole thing so we can find out what we what, when we want, once and for all. Nobody wants to go looking all over creation! You learn only by direction. Camp 2: Are you kidding, you can't index the Internet. It's too huge! Not only that, but it's too dynamic. Anybody can add to it. Don't try fencing it in. You'll just kill it. What you need to do is jump in with both feet, roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. You learn only by doing. In reality there are few that would embrace either of these points of view. I believe that for the most part, the players are the type of people that both recognize the need for better, more comprehensive tools, but are so attracted by the volume of valuable information that they're willing to jump in with both feet. These are the pathfinders of the Net. To those that prefer to wait until the way is more established, I've included both answers and suggestions toward the kinds of tools and resources that *do* attempt to pave the way toward easier access. So keep those comments coming. As you can see, I will listen. Finally, I've received enough requests about accessing previous Hunts that I'm looking into ways to archive the questions, the answers, and assorted comments. Hopefully, this will allow me to keep overhead commentary (such as this), to a minimum, and allow people to get right to what they want. ABOUT THIS HUNT --------------- Some of the answers are a lot longer this time around, as I'm trying to include more of the strategy of searching for those that have requested it. Many of Hope Tillman's answers are quite good in this respect. Also good at showing strategy (and entertaining reading to boot), were many of the answers contributed by Stephen Elliott of Trent Univ. Stephen's answers all begin with the word Keys:. Brygg Ullmer managed to answer all the questions using only the Gopher server at the University of South Carolina. Brygg admits that some questions may be better served by accessing a resource directly through telnet or ftp, but it's still a good demonstration of the power and flexibility of Gopher. (Thank you Univ. of Minn!) Finally, thanks to the University of Arizona School of Library Science, and Gretchen Whitney in particular, for letting me use the computer lab to finish off these results while I'm here in Tucson on vacation. (Hey! We all have different ways to relax!) SOME STRATEGY ------------- For an idea about how best to get started, I'll leave it again to Stephen Elliott. He includes the following at the top of his entry: Meta-Strategy / Game Plan I get the impression that some people are sitting alone in a dark room staring at a MAIL> prompt wondering how to go about doing the Internet Hunt. Sorry, can't be done. If nothing else, you are going to have to get a copy of Scott Yanoff's list [Finger yanoff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu to see how to do that]. In addition to that, I would highly recommend: 1. A copy of Zen and the Art of the Internet or similar document 2. At least one actual human being to teach/help you [I rely on a systems librarian and a computer hacker - an excellent combination]. 3. Getting hooked up to a gopher service as soon as possible - a WAIS server and a trip in the WorldWideWeb would also give you an excellent idea of what's out there. 4. Hytelnet is an excellent tool, but unless it's mounted on your system, you need a PC to make use of it. 5. If all this completely baffles you then simply send notes to all your friends [NOT to your electronic conferences!] saying: "send me all the Internet stuff you have". THE ANSWERS ----------- 1. (5) 'How can I get the text of the Supreme Court opinion on the "right to die" case CRUZAN v. DIRECTOR, MISSOURI DEPT. OF HEALTH?' (Thanks to Neal McBurnett, AT&T Bell Labs, Denver for contributing this question.) Winner's Answer The Supreme Court opinion text is on Cleveland Freenet in the Project Hermes Supreme Court opinion section. To get there, TELNET to freenet-in-a.cwru.edu Login as visitor or registered user At main menu, pick 4. The Courthouse and Government Center At next menu, pick 2. The Courthouse legal information At next menu, pick 6. Supreme Court Opinions (Project Hermes) At next menu, pick 6. Supreme Court Opinion File At Enter command, type slash enter slash is "/" enter is "enter key" or "return key" At Enter pattern to search subject, type name of case "CRUZAN v. DIRECTOR, MISSOURI" This will bring up the records from which to select the text of the opinion. Other Answers ------------- USC-Math Gopher Service: Multitopic/Misc/Supreme Court rulings <search for "Cruzan"> 88-1503 Opinions (listed first) are for this case; 91-744 rulings cite the precedents established by this earlier case. ---------- ftp to info.umd.edu, cd to /info/Government/US/SupremeCt/1989term get file called 88-1503 INDEX in /info/Government/US/SupremeCt is useful in finding cases by name archie was used to find "supreme", "archie -slt supreme" ---------- connect to Gopher at gopher.micro.umn.edu Select option 5, Internet file server (ftp) sites/ Select option 2, Popular FTP Sites via Gopher/ Select option 15, Supreme Court Rulings (CWRU)/ Select option 2 for Index. Files available on CRUZAN v. DIRECTOR, MISSOURI DEPT. OF HEALTH are: 88-1503.S: CRUZAN v. DIRECTOR, MISSOURI DEPT. OF HEALTH, Syllabus 88-1503.O: 88-1503--OPINION, CRUZAN v. DIRECTOR, MISSOURI DEPT. OF HEALTH 88-1503.C1: 88-1503--CONCUR, CRUZAN v. DIRECTOR, MISSOURI DEPT. OF HEALTH 88-1503.C2: 88-1503--CONCUR, CRUZAN v. DIRECTOR, MISSOURI DEPT. OF HEALTH 88-1503.D1: 88-1503--DISSENT, CRUZAN v. DIRECTOR, MISSOURI DEPT. OF HEALTH 88-1503.D2: 88-1503--DISSENT, CRUZAN v. DIRECTOR, MISSOURI DEPT. OF HEALTH The file containing the Opinion is 88-1503.O. Return to the Supreme Court ruling menu and select 6, Ascii. The file we are looking for is #44. You can have gopher mail this to you. Alternatively you could ftp to ftp.cwru.edu. The file is /hermes/ascii/88-1503.O.filt. ==================================================================== 2. (7) I'm hooked on the Usenet, and I've got a great idea for a new newsgroup. Where can I find the steps I need to follow to put my machine on the Usenet? Winner's Answer Use WAIS. Telnet "QUAKE.THINK.COM" and select "JIK-USENET [pit-manager.mit.edu]. It is currently no. 170 (10/31/92). Pick keywords "Usenet newsgroup steps" to search. Among documents retrieved is the document which will do what you want: Jonathan Kamens, "How to become a Usenet site." You can request it to be sent to you by mail by selecting it and typing m (for mail) and then putting in your address when requested. Alternatively, ftp a copy from pit-manager.edu cd pub cd usenet cd news.announce.newusers get "How_to_become_a_Usenet_site." Other Answers ------------- anonymous ftp to : pit-manager.mit.edu login: ftp password: <your own email address> go to directory: pub/usenet/news.admin and get the file: How_to_become_a_USENET_site In that same directory are more files that will help a starting usenet manager. (Rick: Several folks suggested retrieving this, and other postings from certain Usenet newsgroups. Though this is certainly a solution, I judged accessing J. Kamen's file from the FTP site a better solution. This is due to the fact that not all newsgroups/newreaders make certain postings permanent. Most newgroup postings have a regular expiration date. When I tried to retrieve this posting it was listed as expired. In order to get the information, I would have had to wait until the file was posted again.) ================================================================ 3. (4) Hi, I'm learning to the play the guitar, and someone told me that there's a place on the network where I can get guitar chords for lots of different songs. What I'm looking for specifically is the music to a song by the Indigo Girls called "Closer to Fine". Winner's Answer Use anonymous FTP to ftp.nevada.edu. cd pub cd guitar cd Indigo-Girls bin get CloserToFine.crd get CloserToFine.tab You will find the guitar chords in both of these versions. The .crd file looks a little more recent; it also includes words to the song. Other Answers ------------- USC-Math Gopher Service: Multitopic/Music/Music Archives (cs.uwp.edu)/Guitar TAB files from ftp.nev.edu.edu/Indigo_Girls/CloserToFine.Tab and CloserToFine.crd (Tablature and chords are included in these two files) ("archie -s closertofine" works nicely, too, returning FTP'able sources) ---------- ftp to clouso.crim.ca, cd /pub/guitar/Indigo_Girls get CloserToFine.crd archie was used to find "indigo", using "archie -slt indigo" ---------- Keys: chords, guitar, Indigo Girls, Closer to Fine Ideas: Having been around the Internet [there's no substitute for random explorations], I knew that there was a lyric database on WAIS and WWW, but rechecking these confirmed that chords were not part of that. There's always Archie, but since I wasn't sure what to put in [prog "guitars"? "chords"? "music"?] I fell back, yet again, on Scott Yanoff's list. Answer: "Guitar Chords/TAB" on Scott Yanoff list ftp ftp.nevada.edu cd /pub/guitar get README and INDEX files [consult files, go back in] cd /pub/guitar/indigo_girls get CloserToFine [somewhere in there i set Binary, but I sent it in ASCII as well - I'm still working on that distinction - I've had files that I could view in WordPerfect but not print off - so close and yet...] ============================================================================ 4. (7) Hello, I hope you don't mind questions via e-mail. E-mail is all I have here in my department. I'm interested in getting a program called hppscrpt.zip. I found a description of it in a mail message from a listserv that I'm on. It's at wuarchive.wustl.edu and in the /mirrors2/win3/drivers/printer directory. I've heard there's a way to issue mail commands to get files via ftp. Where do I request this service, and what commands should I use to get this file? Winner's Answer Address email to "ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com" The subject can be anything you want to use to keep track of it. The text must say: connect wuarchive.wustl.edu binary chdir /mirror2/win3/drivers/printer get hppscrpt.zip quit There are possible variations that this may not cover. Before sending a file, check on its location by sending email to ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com with the text HELP. The service is called BITFTP This is how to access it : send a mail to : BITFTP@PUCC.Princeton.edu the body of the mail should contain the following lines: FTP wuarchive.wustl.edu UUENCODE USER anonymous CD /mirrors2/win3/drivers/printer BINARY GET hppscrpt.zip QUIT Other Answers ------------- Keys: hppscrpt.zip, wuarchive.wustl.edu, /mirrors2/win3/driver/printer Ideas: I've finally learned to check Scott Yanoof first, and then look further if I have to. But I didn't. [P.S. For me, this was the neatest question on this Hunt - after doing it I found myself wondering why the people at decwrl.dec.com would be this nice - I guess I learned something about the Internet ethos and good will.] Answer: MAIL> mail To: IN"ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com" Subject: [Return] Body of Letter: help [You get a note back explaining to you what you do, and you send a second message:] MAIL>mail To: IN"ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com" Subject: November Hunt ? Body of Letter: connect wuarchive.wustl.edu binary chdir /mirrors2/win3/drivers/printer get hppscript.zip quit [I did this fairly late at night and had the response in what seemed like minutes. Too cool.] ========================================================================== 5. (2) What's Mark Watson's job at the University of Oregon Library? Winner's Answer Mark Watson is Head of the Cataloging Department at the University of Oregon Library. The easiest way to find that was to use Gopher. Telnet consultant.micro.umn.edu and login as gopher. If you select phone books, other institutions, and then North America, at listing for University of Oregon, fill in template, line 1, with "Mark Watson" and press return. The rest of the information is then available. If instead, you choose to go to other gophers rather than phone books, you can access the University of Oregon gopher which will give you additional info. Choosing the entry "Search Ducksoup by keyword" and typing "Mark Watson." At this point a menu comes up with no. 3 as "Faculty" (taken from the /University of Oregon/Catalog/Library) Select 3. Faculty, to retrieve an alphabetical list of faculty. On scrolling to Mark Watson, his name is highlighted, and additional information appears. He is Mark R. Watson, Assistant Professor, Head, Catalogue Department. His educational background is also given. Other Answers ------------- head of the catalog dept. (from whois.uoregon.edu 43) this one was really hard! how was i supposed to know his middle initial was "R"? ================================================================== 6. (5) Someone in class today mentioned that the people that run the Internet have just put together a bibliography of readings for novice users. I know how to use ftp, but where do I find this bibliography? (Rick: I included a lot more of these answers than I normally would. I want novice users to have access to the wealth of material on getting started.) Winner's Answer It is much easier to identify this bibliography by WAIS than by anonymous FTP but it can be done both ways. By WAIS, telnet quake.think.com and login as WAIS. Select source internet-drafts at nnsc.nsf.net (current source number 160). I decided to start with internet-drafts since it seemed logical that something new would come out first as a draft. Pick keywords: novice bibliography Top choice is desired document: "FYI on Introducing the Internet--A Short Bibliography of Introductory Internetworking Readings for the Network Novice. (date October 1992) file name is: draft-ietf-userdoc2-fyi-novice-01. By anonymous FTP, ftp to nnsc.nsf.net. NNSC.NSF.NET seemed to be the right place to look for something put out by the folks who run the net. cd internet-drafts bin (get files as binary) get index-internet-drafts (to review to pick out internet bibiography for novice users). get draft-ietf-userdoc2.fyi-novice-01. While much harder than wais, anonymous ftp will work - just takes longer. Other Answers ------------- This question is sort of vague, but an excellent bibliography on the Internet is one edited by Mary Jensen. You can find it via telnetting to liberty.uc.wlu.edu login as "lawlib". Select option 11 ("Local Files") and then option 47 ("Internet Bibliography (Jensen)"). It can be ftped from liberty.uc.wlu.edu as "/pub/lawlib/internet.bibl". There are also bibliographies in many tutoring documents about the internet, for instance: Zen and the Art of the Internet, the Bay Area Internet FAQ (section 4), the Internet Infoguide (from SURAnet) etc. ---------- WAIS comp.internet.library Search using keywords "bibliography novice books internet" Subject: -17- Are there any books about using the Internet? Date: 14 Sep 92 00:00:01 EST Yes. There are a growing number of reference books available on the subject of using the Internet. TITLE: Zen and the Art of the Internet: A Beginner's Guide, 2nd ed AUTHOR: Brendan P. Kehoe PUBLISHER: Prentice Hall ISBN: 0-13-010778-6 PAGES: 112 PRICE: 22.00 $US TITLE: The Whole Internet User's Guide & Catalog AUTHOR: Ed Krol PUBLISHER: O'Reilly ISBN: 1-56592-025-2 PAGES: 400 PRICE: 24.95 $US TITLE: Internet: Getting Started SERIES: Volume 1, Internet Information Series AUTHOR: [SRI International, Network Information Systems Center] PUBLISHER: ISBN: 0-944-604-15-3 PAGES: PRICE: 39.00 $US ---------- ftp nic.merit.edu (username: anonymous; password: guest) cd introducing.the.internet (change to that directory) get intro.internet.biblio (get the file) Note: 1. This file was created on October 14, 1992. 2. It is for beginners. The title is: FYI on Introducing the Internet--- A Short Bibliography of Introductory Internetworking Readings for the Network Novice 3. If you ftp from a PC, or a VAX account, you should change the file name so that it fits the file name requirement of the system. For example, from a DOS PC, you should enter the following command to get the file. get intro.internet.biblio internet.bib ---------- I used Archie to locate the bibliography: telnet archie.rutgers.edu login archie at the archie> prompt, enter: set search sub at the archie> prompt, enter: prog biblio Had to look through several hundred file listings to find it! ====> anonymous ftp to nis.nsf.net cd /introducing.the.internet file is intro.internet.biblio Note: The authors of this document, the Internet Engineering Task Force, do *not* run the Internet. There is no one body governing the Internet. ---------- anonymous ftp nnsc.nsf.net cd resource-guide get resource-guide.txt.tar.Z quit ---------- Keys: Internet, bibliography, novice users Ideas: One of the rules of the Internet is that the more people are likely to ask for something, the more places it will be. Hence the ubiquitous Frequently Asked Questions files. The first way that occured to me to do this was focus on the word Internet and simply: Answer: telnet quake.think.com login as wais select 160 Inernet-drafts [hit spacebar] Keyword search on "novice" [hit "w" to get keyword search] select 001 "draft-ietf-userdoc2-fyi-novice-01" [Reading this document leads you to all kinds of other things, I couldn't resist] ftp nic.merit.edu cd /introducing.the.internet get intro.internet.biblio [there's also some great other documents in here like access.guide] ---------- Anonymous ftp to HYDRA.UWO.CA cd /libsoft Two files are possible candidates: get STANTON.BIB get NETWORKING_BIBLIO.TXT Stanton's bibliography is really aimed at librarians and information scientists, so it might be a tad much. Elliott Parker's bibliography (the second one) is much more aimed at the novice. He introduces it: This is some documentation on networking. There has been no attempt to make it comprehensive and the main focus is on material of use to the beginning networker, rather than engineers, network managers, or researchers. This is not a formal bibliography. The selection is somewhat eccentric and eclectic, but it is the type of material I wish I had known about when just beginning to use the networks. Some of the citations are just fun to read. so this is probably the one referred to. These certainly aren't the only sources out there. BTW, Advanced Network & Services, Inc has an archie that I used to find the stanton bibliography. Interestingly enough, it completely missed the primary libsoft site maintained by Gord Nickerson at the School of Library and Information Science at the University of Western Ontario (HYDRA.UWO.CA) ======================================================================= 7. (5) In what year was Justice Byron R. White appointed to the U.S. Supreme Court? Winner's Answer Use WAIS, telnet to quake.think.com and login as WAIS. Scroll to US-Judges (pegun.law.columbia.edu) which is currently 298. Do a keyword search, "Byron White." 5 items are retrieved. The top entry lists Byron R. White and states his appointment by Kennedy in 1962. Other Answers ------------- telnet info.umd.edu login: gopher select Info-Gopher Interface select Government select US select Supreme Ct select justices ---------- gopher (telnet) to fatty.law.cornell.edu (login: gopher) to connect to the experimental gopher site of Cornell Law School. Select Government Agencies: Information and Reports/ and then US Judges' Database. Search for Bryan White, and you'll retrieve the same record as the previous one. ---------- Keys: Justice Byron R. White, Supreme Court, appointed Ideas: I did not think going to the same source as in Question 1 would make sense because this is not information you would find in the decisions. I learned in the WorldWideWeb that there are two ways to approach information: by subject and by server. I thought this might be a good time to try by server, so I looked around in a copy of Hytelnet [very nice tool, I have it at home on my PC and our systems librarian mounted it on the university gopher, complete with connections to the sites], which got me: Answer: telnet sparc-1.law.columbia.edu login as lawnet select 3 Law School Info Server select 10 [spacebar] us-judges type w for keyword search keywords: white select 001 U.S. Supreme Court, Judge Byron R. Whit "Appointed by: Kennedy in 1962" ======================================================================= 8. (5) Which country has a higher infant mortality rate, the United States, or Singapore? Winner's Answer Answer is the United States. Use WAIS. Telnet to quake.think.com and login as WAIS. Select World Fact Book at cmns.moon.think.com (which is currently Source number 318). Keywords: Singapore United States infant mortality Pick reference for Singapore Geography and scan until section on Infant Mortality: It lists 8 deaths per 1000 (in 1991). Pick reference for United States Geography and scan until section on Infant Mortality: It lists 10 deaths per 1000 (in 1991). I double checked the next listing in WAIS, "WORLD91A" which looked as if it had slightly more recent data but it gave exactly the same data for infant mortality. Other Answers ------------- This may be a weird method, but it worked :) anonymous ftp to site: nic.funet.fi cd to directory: /pub/doc/World_Facts In that directory are the facts about all countries. get the files: Singapore and United_States In them are the numbers for infant mortality. US: 10/1000 Singaport: 8/1000 ---------- telent info.umd.edu login: gopher select Info-Gopher Interface select Government select Factbook91 select Countries singapore #194, US #230 US - Infant Mortality Rate 1991; 10 deaths/1,000 live births Singapore - Infant Mortality Rate 1991; 8 deaths/1,000 live births ---------- telnet panda.uiowa.edu (picked this one out of a hat too) select: Online Info Sources select: Online Libraries select: Reference Works select: CIA World Fact Book 1991 select: S select: Singapore read to find: 8 deaths/1000 live births 1991 same to get to U; then select United States; 10 deaths/1000 live births 1991. ========================================================================== 9. (4) My cousin is graduating next spring from Columbia University. What day is commencement? Winner's Answer Search Columbia University cwis. [Good place to find cwis address is HYTELNET software at access.usask.ca] Telnet columbianet.columbia.edu. No login is required. Select Classes, Finals, Holds, Bulletins Select 9. Academic Calendar: Spring 1993. Scroll through the spring months using N (next page) until you reach May. The Baccalaureate ceremony will be held Sunday, May 16, 1993. Commencement will be Wednesday, May 19, 1993. ======================================================================== 10. (4) Where can I find a review of the movie Sneakers? Winner's Answer Use WAIS. Telnet quake.think.com and login as WAIS. Select Movie-Reviews at bloat.media.mit.edu (which is currently source number 199). Keyword: Sneakers This retrieves 6 items: 5 are reviews and the 6th mentions Sneakers in another movie review. Select each entry in turn to retrieve the review. The reviews are by: Frank Maloney, 22 September 1992, from USENET newsgroup rec.arts.movies.reviews Donn B. Parker, 16 Sept. 1992, from USENET newsgroup comp.risks Roger Snappy Rubio, 28 September 1992, from USENET newsgroup rec.arts.movies.reviews 2 Fat Guys, 15. Sept. 1992, from USENET newsgroup rec.arts.movies.reviews Sarah M. Elkins, 15 Sept. 1992, from USENET newsgroup rec.arts.movies.reviews Other Answers ------------- anonymous ftp to : lcs.mit.edu this is the rec.arts.movies.reviews database. go to directory: /common/movie-reviews here you can get the INDEX files. sneakers can be found in: 15xx.dir , files: 1516,1517,1518,1533,1544 ---------- An archive of movie reviews is available via Gopher at gopher.micro.umn.edu. Select option 4, Fun & Games Select option 2, Movies Select option 8, 1992 Select option 9, Sep The four reviews of "Sneakers" are items 19, 20, 21, and 22. These were posted to rec.arts.movies.reviews sometime in the month of September but are archived here since most news sites don't keep news very long. ---------- Review by Ed Cavazos in issue 1 (Sept. 1992) of Word, newsletter of the Austin, Texas chapter of the Electronic Frontier Foundation anonymous ftp ftp.eff.org cd /pub/EFF/local-chapters/Austin_TX get Word.September92 ===================================================================== Extra Credit: (1) How much are the quesadillas at Jose's Mexican Restaurant near Porter Square in Cambridge Massachusetts? Winner's Answer Quesadilla price: $2.50-$2.65. While the telephone is probably quicker for me since it would be a local call, I did find the answer using the MIT campus network since it seemed nearby. Telnet techinfo.mit.edu At the main menu select 12. Potluck. At the next menu select 7. Local Restaurants (LNF) At the restaurant menu, select 6. Jose's Mexican At this point Jose's Mexican menu appears and the price of the quesadilla is shown. However, I must point out that at the bottom of the page is a caveat that some of the information is out of date. An update is pending. That note is dated 10-10-90! Other Answers ------------- Using libs "Internet Access Software, by Mark Resmer, Sonoma State University, February 1992" client, you can acces: LIBS - Internet Access Software v1.3.U (beta) Mark Resmer, Sonoma State University, February 1992 Based on data provided by Art St. George, University of New Mexico and other sources On-line services available through the Internet Choose the number 3, 'Campus-wide Information Systems' then Campus-wide Information Systems are accessible in the following places: select the number 9, 'Massachussetts': > 12 Potluck Enter the number of your choice: 12 7 Local Restaurants (LNF) Enter the number of your choice: 7 6 Jose's Mexican Select the 6 'Jose's Mexican'. And.. the price you are looking for is: Quesadilla: $2.50 - $2.65 ---------- I spent several hours looking for the answer to this question. I read all the relevant Usenet groups and their FAQs (rec.food, rec.food.restaurants, rec.food.veg, soc.culture.mexican, alt.restaurants...). I also searched for Gophers in Massachusetts. I could only find one - an experimental server at the University of Massachusetts, but I found nothing helpful there. I used Archie to look for files matching keywords such as "mexican," "restaurants," "cambridge," "massachusetts," "jose" etc. Also searched the archives of several Bitnet lists. And at 1:11 A.M. EST this morning I found it!!!!!!! ===> telnet consultant.micro.umn.edu login gopher select Other Gopher and Information Servers select Terminal Based Information select MIT TechInfo select 12 (Potluck) select 10 [Local Restaurants (LNF) ] select 6 (Jose's Mexican) Price of quesadillas is $2.50-$2.65. (BTW, someone posted to rec.food.restaurants asking for the answer!) ===================================================================== Mystery Question: As the moderator of the internet hunts, can you help me with something? I'm looking for the tides at the Golden Gate (California) for next April. I'm finding the information impossible to find at local libraries - even university libraries!!! Is such information available on the Internet anywhere? ---------- There is some tide information available from the U.S. Geographic Service Earth Science Data Directory, Data Referral Service. Couldn't figure out how to get actual data out of it but this is what I got. ENTRY_TITLE: TIDE AND TIDAL CURRENT PREDICTIONS GROUP: TECHNICAL_CONTACT LAST_NAME: KELLEY FIRST_NAME: DAVE PHONE: (907) 271-5040 GROUP: ADDRESS 222 WEST 7TH, #38 ANCHORAGE, AK 99513-7574 END_GROUP END_GROUP ORIGINATING_CENTER: ESDD LOCATION: North America> ALASKA LOCATION: North America> US PARAMETER: Ocean Dynamics> tides> TIDE KEYWORD: ALASKA DIRECTORY KEYWORD: ATLANTIC KEYWORD: COAST KEYWORD: COASTLINE KEYWORD: INDIAN KEYWORD: OCEAN KEYWORD: PACIFIC STORAGE_MEDIUM: CATALOGS/INDEXES GROUP: COVERAGE MINIMUM_LATITUDE= 0N MAXIMUM_LATITUDE= 179N MINIMUM_LONGITUDE= 105W MAXIMUM_LONGITUDE= 60W END_GROUP GROUP: SUMMARY Daily tide and tidal current predictions for the present year are contained in this data set. The stations in the tide table are for West Coast of North America and South America. Additional tide tables for East Coast, Central and West Africa, and the Western Pacific and Indian Oceans. Stations are in tidal current tables for the Pacific coast of North America. Included are reference stations and stations for 650 locations in tide tables. Tidal current tables list 915 locations for calculating tidal currents. Reference copies are available for past years. END_GROUP ---------- "archie -s tide" returns a number of interesting refs (note that archie data is also directly accessible through Gopher, but I'm not going to synthesize this one, having found it without Gopher). Particularly interesting is the tides162.zip program, found at osi.iunet.it in /disk0/tmp/navy This program runs under MS-DOS, and includes data for tidal predictions at San Francisco, among many other locations. Also see USC-Math Gopher Service: Multitopic/Science and Technology/Geography/USGS ESDD, search for <tide tides california> for net references to offline collections The Oceanic Database at U-Del also holds promise, but... I've found the solution already, I think. The Oceanic service is accessible from USC-Math as well. I have leads on a number of other sources, as well... ---------- Mystery problem- Sheech, just walk to Astronomy and ask who does the celestial mechanics course. Go to that person and ask your question. Of course that doesn't use the internet, so I suppose you could look your Astron. Dept. up in the Internet white pages, and then ask for the referal from the secretary, and then mail him/her with the question, if you wanted to involve the internet that is. ---------- I tried searching "archie" for tides - pertinent responses: 19920326165100Z 182163 osi.iunet.it /disk0/tmp/navy/tides162.zip 19920326165100Z 182163 relay.iunet.it /disk0/tmp/navy/tides162.zip 19920323000000Z 7518 nic.funet.fi /pub/astro/general/tides.txt 19920211000000Z 7518 ames.arc.nasa.gov /pub/SPACE/FAQ/Tides (Rick: I tried out tides162.zip, a program written in QuickBasic in 1989 by an Edward P. Wallner. The program seems to work well for some stations on the East Coast of the U.S., and should work as well with West Coast stations. The catch is that you need to find historic tidal data for these stations. Mr. Wallner lists sites that can provide you with this information. Perhaps coupled with the first answer on data from the USGS, one could solve this problem. However, there does not appear to be a simple table on file, and in fact, such a table is only useful for short term predictions of perhaps less than 200 days.)