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- From: petrilli@nextover.pe.utexas.edu (Chris Petrilli)
- Newsgroups: austin.public-net
- Subject: Re: Let's do it NOW
- Message-ID: <84218@ut-emx.uucp>
- Date: 23 Nov 92 20:07:46 GMT
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- Steve Blair writes:
- > 1) As the person responsible for DELL's internet connection, contrary
- > to others' postings, I have *NEVER* said we will take this on at DELL.
-
- My statement was that Dell has a relatively nice connection to Internet, and
- that experiences with Dell (and yourself specifically) in the past would
- indicate that they would be someone who might be interested. A statement was
- made last Saturday by Mike Cheselka that an offer was made "within 3 seconds"
- to host Cactus, both physically and as a internet link. I don't know the
- reality of the situation.
-
- > 2) As one of the people responsible for a large # of Modem serivices
- > here at DELL, I have *NEVER* committed Modem &/or phone lines.
-
- Again, a statement on behalf of Cactus. It would be nice for someone such as
- Dell (or anyone else that uses trunks rather than individual lines) to
- provide the facilities so that we wouldn't have to deal with the intricacies
- of handling individual lines from SWBT.
-
- > 1) I'm not sure the NSF AUP(Acceptable Use Policy) would allow
- > DELL, or any *other* comercial Austin Internet site the option
- > to host such a system. I am checking with various parties, including
- > our legal folks(as soon as I can get them) whether anyone can do so.
-
- Well, I looked over the NSFnet and NearNet policies, and I don't see whereas
- our proposal contradicts the AUP. The Cleveland Freenets fit in without any
- problem. I do think that SLIP and PPP links would require a rethink of our
- requirements and also of AUP. Definately there would have to be binding
- legal papers between the organization and the inidivual requesting hte link.
-
- > 2) I've only committed to investigate interally to DELL as folks
- > here might be interested. No more, no less. Towards that end, I've
- > spoken with but a few of the folks internal to here that would quite a
- > bit of say so. No decision is anywhere near "in site".
-
- That is all anyone can ask of you or anyone else who is not directly in
- charge of donations/advertisement/accounting (etc.).
-
- > 3) I'm not 100% convinced that anyone supporting this FreeNet project
- > save jsq, and a few others(myself too) are aware of the amount of
- > startup work, ongoing work, or "daily care and feeding" that an Internet
- > connection requires. Several other site admins have stated that by
- > the end of their day at work, the last(!!) thing they wish to
- > do is to run yet another Internet site. That directly implies that
- > it may take untrained, or "new to Internet site maintenance" folks to
- > get such a project "on the net".
-
- Or masochists? :-) As someone who has been running machines around Internet
- for a while, I think I have at least a grasp of the difficulties. The
- problems last week (due in major part to the source routing failure of the
- current IP protocols) are not a good example of problems facing most sys
- admins a majority of the time. However, I do think there are a large number
- of people who don't have much experience with anything beyond UUCP/USenet,
- and don't realise the difficulties that face a system when you basically open
- it up totally to half the face of the planet. Security becomes a VERY major
- concern, and in this case ,the common solution of firewalling the network
- isn't possible.
-
- > Now then, in all honesty, this is still(as I've stated to several folks
- > verbally) as far as I'm currently concerned, a very infant project. The
- > amount of work, time, and maintenance, as well as bills, may well
- > stop this from happening. May not also.
-
- Agreed, and while I would like to see SOMETHING by the end of the year, I
- don't think that it is feasable or logical to expect everything to happen at
- the start, hencce the reason we proposed a staged implementation. There
- wasn't a time scale given.
-
- > In no way do I wish the project ill; IMHO it's quite an interesting
- > project to undertake, I just wish everyone knew what we go through
- > running sites. UUCP == running an Internet site.
-
- UUCP != Internet you mean? :-)
-
- Perhaps UUCP^100 == Internet? ;-)
-
- Chris
- --
- | Chris Petrilli
- | petrilli@nextover.pe.utexas.edu, petrilli@gnu.ai.mit.edu
- | All opinions are my own, if they even belong to anyone.
-