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- From: kerry@citr.uq.oz.au (Kerry Raymond)
- Subject: Re: Taxation distorting investment
- Message-ID: <Bxszyq.LsJ@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>
- Sender: news@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (USENET News System)
- Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:04:01 GMT
- Lines: 43
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- c.oneill@trl.oz.au (Chris O'Neill) writes:
-
- >The overall effect is that (during times of sufficient inflation) there were
- >massive amounts of investments that were making a real loss that was paid for
- >by the tax office (or more precisely, genuine taxpayers such as PAYE
- >taxpayers).
-
- Speaking as a genuine PAYE taxpayer and negative gearer, I'd like to
- point out that negative gearing is not in itself a terrible thing.
- When deciding to borrow for any purpose, one has to weigh up the costs
- of borrowing (the interest etc) against the benefits (having the thing
- now, deriving income, obtaining capital growth). For example, most people
- borrow to buy their first home because their capacity to save up the
- entire purchase price is less than their capacity to pay off a mortgage
- which dwindles in proportion to the value of the house due to capital
- growth.
-
- In short, you only gear (borrow) whether positively or negatively because
- you expect to make money from the investment at some time, through
- regular income and/or capital growth. Both of these forms of income
- can be taxed when they occur in the lifetime of the investment.
- The tax deductions on the interest repayments don't exceed the
- interest payments so therefore the investment must be intended to
- make money eventually or there is no point in doing it.
-
- The well-publicized losses in the 80s have (IMHO) two causes.
-
- Firstly, the loans were out of proportion to the real value of the asset.
- Businesses (e.g. Channel 9) were bought at an artificially high price and
- thus there wasn't the asset base to generate the income/growth that was
- needed to sustain the payments on the loans. The banks and financiers
- have to accept a share of the blame for permitting such high levels
- of borrowing.
-
- Secondly, some of the loans were done purely for tax reasons because
- it was believed that the income or growth of the investment would not
- be subject to taxation because of various shady dealings (involving
- South Pacific islands) and tax loopholes. Not surprising that these
- arrangements went bust when the taxman caught onto them.
-
- In conclusion, negative gearing itself isn't bad but, like cars and any
- other tool, it can be misused.
-
-