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- From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
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- Subject: Re: Arguing about language
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- Date: 20 Nov 92 16:44:05 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov19.232920.25852@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes:
-
- >You're welcome to like or dislike what you please, and to express your
- >dislikes and likes as strongly as you wish.
-
- >However, that's a long way from saying that *other* people are doing something
- >bad by using this or that word. People are generally doing the best they
- >can when they speak, and generally have good and sufficient reasons for
- >using the words they use, and avoiding the words they don't.
-
- "Doing something bad" implies that language use -- or misuse -- is a moral
- issue. I see your point that belittling or sneering at _people_ who use
- "non-standard" (isn't that a lovely PC word) English is small-minded and
- uncool. I agree. But I see nothing reprehensible about loathing the
- language itself. Here's the "some of my best friends are ..." argument:
-
- Some of my best friends don't talk so good. In fact, my dearly beloved
- flays the language daily. But when he says, "She don't care," I don't
- correct him. Fortunately, he doesn't say it too often. Do I accept the
- usage of "don't" rather than "doesn't" as good English in that context? NO.
- It's hideous, it grates on the ear, and it's wrong. Is my d.b. stupid and
- deserving of my holier-than-thou-izing him? No, he's a bright guy and a
- total sweetie-muffins.
-
- >If you wish to limit your speech and writing to a standard that satisfies
- >you -- *any* standard -- by all means do so. Everyone has methods and
- >pathways and rules that lead to means of expression they find satisfactory.
- >But do not insist that other people limit their speech to the same
- >subset of the language that you have chosen, unless you can *demonstrate*
- >that distinctions of great value are being lost by this or that usage.
-
- There are only three sets of people who can limit others' speech to a
- "subset" of language: editors, teachers and parents. In challenging the
- (mis)use of a word or phrase, I'm not insisting that anyone do anything. How
- can I? What authority do I have to do so? But if I'm editing something,
- you can bet I'll hold it to a standard.
-
- A friend of mine who is a professor here showed me a couple of senior
- papers, which, he said, weren't unusual. The language
- was awful, with the kinds of mistakes elementary school kids make. The
- grammar, not to mention the spelling, was ... well, you'd probably just
- find it creative. I found it appalling. My friend, in a fit of
- exasperation, scrawled across the top of one paper, "How did you make it
- through four years at Penn?" I understood his exasperation.
-
- >The English language
- >is bigger than your idiolect.
-
- Yeah, and getting "bigger" every day.
-
-
- --
- The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
- if only from time to time. -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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- Lauren Crawford // crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
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