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- From: evan@hpl.hp.com (Evan Kirshenbaum)
- Subject: Re: last,latest,latter
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- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:46:55 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov17.164613.5916@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes:
- >Last: final one in a series. Or, in contrast to "current" or "this":
- > previous. The Last of the Mohicans means there won't be any more.
- >
- > Last week was the week before this one.
-
- This, of course, depends on the definition of "this": "last
- Wednesday" was the most recent Wednesday before today (six days ago,
- the 11th); "last Monday" was two Mondays ago (eight days ago, the
- 9th). This is because "this Wednesday" is in the future, whereas
- "this Monday" is in the past. "This Tuesday" doesn't seem to have a
- referent (today being Tuesday), although "last Tuesday" was seven days
- ago.
-
- You can also think about it as "the X of last week". This can make
- "last Monday" ambiguous on Saturday, when "this Monday" moves into the
- future.
-
- "This weekend" can be in either the past or the future depending on
- the day of the week. Thinking about it, it seems that on Monday, it's
- generally in the past, on Tuesday it can go either way, and on
- Wednesday through Friday, it's in the future. On Saturday and Sunday,
- it's always the one we're in.
-
- Months and seasons behave similarly, but not identically. "Last
- September" was in 1991, "last January" was probably in 1992, but may
- have been in 1991.
-
- Of course, "this past X" and "this coming X" always refer to the past
- and future respectively, and so are equivalent to one or more of "last
- X", "this X", and "next X".
-
- Also, the construct "the last X" or "the last N Xs", includes "this X"
- (when "this X" is not in the future): "During the last two years...",
- "In the last month...", "On the last three Saturdays...", (not
- including "this Saturday", which is in the future). "On the last
- Saturday" and "In the last August" are wrong.
-
- "The last issue of Time" is also the latest, except that when
- discussing the latest issue, one can also refer to "the last issue",
- which is the one before.
-
- I hope this didn't confuse things :-). For non-native speakers,
- Roger's explanation was essentially correct. Time can just get
- complicated.
-
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