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- From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
- Subject: Re: quite unique research?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.174826.20992@Princeton.EDU>
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- References: <1992Nov15.145943.5614@desire.wright.edu> <1992Nov16.035345.9575@Princeton.EDU> <1992Nov16.112547.22880@black.ox.ac.uk>
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:48:26 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov16.112547.22880@black.ox.ac.uk> microsoc@black.ox.ac.uk (Marc B.A. Read) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov16.035345.9575@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes:
- >>In article <1992Nov15.145943.5614@desire.wright.edu> thayes@desire.wright.edu writes:
-
- >>Could you post a few of the *arguments* these guys give? I've posted
- >>the AHD and Evans arguments, which seem pretty good to me, taking into
- >>account their differing purposes (and the inherent speciousness of the
- >>Usage Panel method).
-
- >Just for starters here are the relevant extracts from the Fowlers. Before
- >you flame me, Roger, I _don't_ think that these are conclusive arguments;
- >but I do think that they are well written and entertaining even if wrong!
- >(I'm still shaking at the memory of Roger's flames to this newcomer to
- >Usenet about "concertize"....)
-
- Why would I flame you? I'm utterly grateful to you for all the research
- and typing.
-
- Sorry about "concertize" -- I got peeved there by the inability of
- some to walk over to the dictionary and find the word there without
- any qualifications, plus the moralistic clucking of some who found its
- very existence "depressing" and the like.
-
- >From: The King's English (HW & FG Fowler)
-
- (A book that disapproves of "coastal" as a mixed-language barbarism,
- preferring "costal." Fowler was good, mind you, but he had his quirks.)
-
- >"A thing is unique, or not unique; there are no degrees of uniqueness; nothing
- >is ever somewhat or rather unique, though many things are are almost or in
- >some respects unique. The word is a member of a depreciating series. 'Singular'
- >had once the strong meaning that 'unique' has still in accurate but not in
- >other writers. In consequence of slovenly use, 'singular' no longer means
- >singular but merely remarkable; it is worn out; before long 'rather unique'
- >will be familiar; 'unique', that is, will be worn out in turn, and we shall
- >have to resort to 'unexampled' and keep that clear of qualifications as long
- >as we can. [....] For the other regrettable use of 'unique', as when the
- >advertisement columns offer us what they call 'unique opportunities', it may
- >generally be assumed with safety that they are lying; but lying is not in
- >itself a literary offence, so that with these we have nothing to do."
-
- A few comments: "singular" is no more worn out than it was umpty years
- ago when Fowler wrote that; neither is "unique." We still use the two
- words about the way that our forefathers (hah! I should speak for myself...)
- used them, with no evidence of further fatigue.
-
- Also, the "lying" argument is a moralistic reaction to hyperbole, which
- goes contrary to the self-effacing manner preferred in English society.
- Ad columns offer unique opportunities in self-defense against all those
- inflated resumes...8-)
-
- >From: Fowler's Modern English Usage (2nd Edn.)
-
- >"A watertight definition or paraphrase of the word, securing it against
- >confusion with all synonyms that might be suggested, is difficult to frame.
- >In the first place, it is applicable only to what is in some respect the
- >sole existing specimen, the precise like of which may be sought in vain.
- >That gives a clear line of division between it and the many adjectives for
- >which it is often ignorantly substituted - remarkable, exceptional, fabulous,
- >rare, marvellous, and the like. In the qualities represented by those
- >epithets there are degrees; but uniqueness is a matter of yes or no only;
- >no unique thing is more or less unique than another unique thing, as a rare
- >thing may be rarer or less rare than another rare thing. The adverbs that
- >unique can tolerate are e.g. quite, almost, nearly, really, surely, perhaps,
- >absolutely or in some respects; and it is nonsense to call anything more,
- >most, very, somewhat, rather or comparatively unique. [....] "
-
- In short, the word *can* be modified, and *can* be modified by "quite,"
- so once again I'm not sure what this is doing in Ted's "no" column.
-
- Thanks again!
-
- Roger
-
-