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- From: john@monet.uwaterloo.ca (John Robinson)
- Subject: Re: Fall Out (Questions - and spoilers)
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- Organization: University of Waterloo
- References: <BxxnG5.967@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> <1992Nov19.172039.19949@umbc3.umbc.edu>
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:13:51 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov19.172039.19949@umbc3.umbc.edu> hannon@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. Scott Hannon; PHYS (GRAD)) writes:
- >In article <BxxnG5.967@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> john@monet.uwaterloo.ca
- >(John Robinson) writes:
- >>
- >>Why did McGoohan write in the shoot-'em-up scene? There was no need for
- >>it so far as the plot was concerned (as if plot consistency were
- >>a feature of The Prisoner anyhow). How is the prisoner's forsaking of
- >>his no guns principle to be interpreted? (And why do they have to pile
- >>on the irony so heavily with All You Need is Love?)
- >
- >The "no guns principle" from _Living in Harmony_? There, he was refusing
- >to take up a gun to defend the town from the bad guys...he doesn't want the
- >job and refuses to be manipulated into accepting it [at least, not as
- >expected]. A real twist on _Shane_ and _High Noon_.
- >
- I'd got the impression that the prisoner's non-use of guns went deeper than
- the Living in Harmony episode. Before Fall Out, it seemed that
- although he would use force (in every episode he _has_ to punch someone),
- he avoided the sort of wanton lethal violence that you sometimes see in other
- Spy/Action movies. Yet that scene is Fall Out is exactly that; it's almost
- as if the whole brains-not-guns mentality of The Prisoner (and presumably
- Danger Man and Secret Agent) is being rejected. It's because it's so
- uncharacteristic that it stood out for me.
-
- In fact, there are other ways that the Prisoner behaves uncharacteristically
- in Fall Out. The first trace of uncertainty he has shown is when he is
- given the choice to lead the Village or leave. And though he's been close
- to breaking before, his behaviour during his interrupted speech in the
- cavern suggests that it now only takes a relatively small irritant to
- make him lose his cool. Does this mean anything?
-
- >Now if he thought that using a gun would get him freedom without having
- >to bend to the village, I don't think he'd hesitate to use it.
- Well here I disagree. In terms of cool headed thinking, he hasn't seemed
- to take opportunities for violence before Fall Out. On the other hand,
- when he's close to breaking, he has embraced violence: "Die, die, die" in
- Once upon a time.
-
- >Its been a
- >couple years since I've seen the Prisoner, but I think by this time in the
- >story, he has seen that he himself is #1...he is ultimately responsible
- >for the mess he finds himself in [his jailer is his own dark side, the beast
- >within].
- Here is one way that the Prisoner is beautifully ambiguous. #6 wears black,
- #1 wears white. #6 epitomizes individualism and rebellion, the Village is
- a paradisical society. Which is good?
-
- >
- >The "All You Need is Love" scene is indeed a filled with irony...not only is
- >his good side dealing death to his bad side,
- Oh yes? Where has his bad side gone? Certainly not into the bodies of the
- troops that the Prisoner et al mop up in the shooting scene.
-
- >on another level the show is
- >taking a pot-shot at the flower power-ish [make love not war] nonsense
- >expressed by the song...that "all you need is love" as a concept is in fact
- >ridiculous. In particular, that freedom is important too, and to gain/keep
- >it may involve quite a bit of activity that is mighty hard to describe as
- >an expression of "love" :-)
- Is this the Prisoner's philosophy? Are we "supposed" to condone the shooting
- and laugh at the naivity of All You Need is Love. Or, as I think more likely,
- are we seeing the Prisoner's virtue of seeking freedom finally becoming the
- obsession that destroys whatever other virtues he might have. Either way,
- I still think the shooting scene was a mistake. I'd have prefered some more
- decisive encounter with #1 (but I think that might not have been enigmatic
- enough for PMcG).
- >
- >Scott.
- >--
- >Scott Hannon, Thu Nov 19 1992 (hannon@umbc4.umbc.edu)
-
-
- John
-