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- From: de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill)
- Subject: Re: Returning nutrients to the soil
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.195141.2160@ornl.gov>
- Sender: usenet@ornl.gov (News poster)
- Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, TN
- References: <1992Nov16.133132.29858@ornl.gov> <-1363906760snx@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au>,<1992Nov18.162437.23719@ornl.gov> <1992Nov18.180943.6953@nstn.ns.ca>
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:51:41 GMT
- Lines: 76
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- In article <1992Nov18.180943.6953@nstn.ns.ca>, dc_ags@ac.nsac.ns.ca (Don Christie) writes:
- >
- >this is basically true: the microbial population in soil is largely responsible
- >for the cycling of important nutrients... especially the N-P-K types.
- >However, it would be an error to discount the effects of inorganic chemical
- >reactions which are responsible for the availability of some nutrients in
- >the soil solution.
-
- The implication here, of course, is that I or someone else in this group, *has*
- discounted the effects of inorganic chemical reactions. Now, you might be
- confusing "organic" farming and organic chemistry, but with your level of
- knowledge on these matters, such a mistake would almost have to be intentional.
-
- >>There are at least two schools of thought on this. One, apparently yours,
- >>believes that the intimate details need to be understood before something can
- >>be mastered. The other, mine, agrees that it might be possible to do that, but
- >>that it is not necessary. It is often the case that processes can be managed
- >>by taking care of the big picture and letting natural processes take care of
- >>the details.
- >
- >take this argument and put it into a different context... it might make a bit
- >more sense... for example, let's examine two individuals who wish to learn
- >to play a musical instrument... a guitar.
-
- I hate analogies, but I'll play along.
-
- >Individual A decides that the best approach to this subject would be to go
- >to a music conservatory and learn musical theory. Individual B doesn't agree,
- >and simply picks up the instrument and learns to play by ear.
- >
- >In time, both individuals will undoubtedly learn to play guitar... but the
- >answer to the question of which musician is better depends on your point of
- >view.
-
- I disagree. I think musical ability is rather independent of formal musical
- education. The musical ability is a combination of the technical mastery of
- the skill required to play the instrument plus the artistic skill to decide
- what pieces to play and how to play them. The better musician will be
- determined not solely by the formal training, but by inherent artistic ability,
- drive, coordination, etc.
-
- >The same holds true for agriculture. In order to perform adequately as a farmer
- >in modern society, he/she requires in-depth training on a wide variety of
- >topics... ranging from basic chemistry and biology up to and including
- >economics and other forms of mathematics.
-
- I agree, but this is *not* the point I was making. Given identical training,
- there are still two ways to farm: the analytical, micro-controlled approach
- typified by those whose ideal "farm" is a hermetically-sealed (to keep the
- nasty wild plants/bugs/microbes/fungi/molds out), climate controlled (the
- weather is *so* unreliable) environment where monoculture, selectively-bred
- and/or genetically-engineered plants (can't waste time/resources on
- less-than-optimal specimens) grow in a sterile soilless medium and are fed
- precisely metered mixtures of nutrients and micronutrients. Total control of
- every aspect of the process is the goal. This is the "farm" as a life-support
- system for plants. It's very complex, fragile, and entirely dependent upon our
- knowledge of the requirements of each species. (Yes, that's an absurd
- exaggeration)
-
- The other extreme is the more natural, macro-managed approach where the goal is
- not to raise plants, but to encourage the natural environment to raise plants.
- Rather than reimplementing natures life support systems for plants, it simply
- uses the natural life support systems. Taken to the extreme, as in the
- previous example, what you have is uncultivated wilderness.
-
- >It is still possible to undertake
- >farming without this knowledge, (as it was possible for the guitar player to
- >play without music theory), but it is much more difficult to `get it right'
- >because of a lack of knowledge.
-
- Organic farming does *not* encourage ignorance. Period.
-
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