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- From: xeno@iastate.edu (Gary L Snethen)
- Subject: Re: Graviton beams?
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- Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
- References: <1992Nov13.145754.1@woods.ulowell.edu> <1e1kbbINNsm2@transfer.s <xeno.721775265@pv0558.vincent.iastate.edu> <1992Nov15.171451.17472@husc3.harvard.edu>
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:18:50 GMT
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- In <1992Nov15.171451.17472@husc3.harvard.edu> mcirvin@scws1.harvard.edu (Mcirvin) writes:
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- >In article <xeno.721775265@pv0558.vincent.iastate.edu> xeno@iastate.edu (Gary L Snethen) writes:
- >>
- >>If time is symmetric, and gravity is time-symmetric, either the event horizon
- >>of a black hole cannot contain matter OR objects will never reach the event
- >>horizon whether falling/accelerating towards, or whatever.
- >>
- >>Simply shown: When reversing directions in time, your final velocity becomes
- >>your initial velocity in the opposite direction. If you fall towards a black
- >>hole, you will gain velocity. If you then pass through the event horizon,
- >>you will be traveling very fast. If suddenly we reversed time (remember our
- >>argument is based on the symmetry of gravity with respect to time), then we
- >>would have a very very high initial velocity which would somehow be enough to
- >>propel us through the event horizon and back out into space...
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- >Yes. And this presents no problems, since in the time-reversed situation
- >the black hole is no longer a black hole, but a white hole.
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- >--
- >Matt McIrvin
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- The point I was trying to get across was that if you reverse time, the
- gravitational field around a black hole is unchanged. (All acceleration
- is in the same direction, and the same magnitude). So if you start with
- a 'black' hole, and reverse time, you still have the gravitational field
- of a 'black' hole... except that matter is now being spewed out of it at
- incredible velocities (which then decelerates as a result of the hole's
- attraction).
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- Let me try a case example, and someone can tell me where the flaw is:
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- Let's say at time = 0, I notice that there is a ball stationary with
- respect to a black hole, which then begins to fall towards the black hole,
- accelerating to an incredible velocity, it passes through the event horizon
- at time = 10.
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- Now, I reverse time, so I can observe the 'white' hole effect. At time = 10,
- I see a ball thrown out of the hole's event horizon at an incredible
- velocity. The ball flies away from the hole, decelerating and finally coming
- to momentary rest at time = 0. Ok so far... I'm sure everyone will agree
- that this is the effect I would see.
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- Now, as time keeps running backwards, I will see the ball fall once again
- towards the hole, eventually reaching the event horizon and 'vanishing'
- once again at time = -10.
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- From this example, it seems to me that there are no truly 'black' holes, nor
- truly 'white' holes, but only 'grey' holes, capable of pulling things in
- and letting things get out, just like any other gravitational field.
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- Is there another higher order effect that is not indepenent of temporal
- direction that I am overlooking?
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- ---Xeno
- (Gary Snethen)
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