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- From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
- Newsgroups: alt.satanism
- Subject: Re: What I think
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.133834.8889@iscsvax.uni.edu>
- Date: 20 Nov 92 13:38:34 -0600
- References: <1992Nov19.105412.6902@cheshire.oxy.edu>
- Organization: University of Northern Iowa
- Lines: 92
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- In article <1992Nov19.105412.6902@cheshire.oxy.edu>, dementia@cheshire.oxy.edu (Daniel Steven Reinker) writes:
- > Here's what I beleive.
- >
- > The christians say that all those who are good and do not sin go
- > to heaven, all those who are bad and sin go to hell. I do not think
- > this is so.
-
- I disagree with you. 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 "Do you not know that wrongdoers
- will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators,
- idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, thieves, the greedy,
- drunkards, revilers, robbers - none of these will inherit the kingdom of God."
-
- Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death..."
-
- >I believe in a God of complete forgiveness;
-
- Romans 6:23 (part two) "...but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ
- Jesus our Lord"
-
- >I think
- > God takes everyone up into heaven who wants to go.
-
- Where is that written in the Bible, which is God's Word to His Church?
-
-
- >I don't believe
- > heaven is a reward for the true believers. I don't think God is into
- > rewarding. I think his ultimate goal is to turn all of humanity
- > into nice, loving people.
-
- The goal is for all to be God's children; for everyone to be saved.
-
- > The forces of Evil, on the other hand, have the opposite goal. They
- > want to wipe humanity off of the face of the earth. Evil is quick
- > to condemn humanity for its many sins. However, Evil does NOT
- > take people into hell to be punished. Why would Evil want them there?
- > Evil doesn't even like them! Evil only takes those that it thinks
- > will help it in the fight to destroy humanity. (God, of course,
- > wants only to save humanity.)
- > Thus everyone goes to heaven,
-
- Again, where is this written in the Holy Bible?
-
- >except for the truly Evil, who go
- > to Hell to join the forces of Evil.
-
- If you aren't saved by the blood of Christ, then you're going to Hell anyway.
-
- > The christians say that while we are alive, God wants us to find
- > good. Yet, they say when we die, God gives up on us! I don't think
- > God gives up.All in all, I think I have much more faith in God
- > than most christians.
-
- I think you have more belief in God than some Christians, but not more faith.
- When have you trusted in God?
-
- >If they had faith they wouldn't be so into
- > the bible.
-
- Why not?
-
- >The bible is just a book.
-
- Yep, you are correct. But it does contain incredible amounts of wisdom and
- teachings that came from God and His people.
-
- >It gets in the way. Christians
- > cling to it because it is their only proof.
-
- It is one of the PHYSICAL proofs, but not the only. The "born-again"
- experience is very real. God is faithful.
-
- >But religion is beyond
- > proof. You can only have faith.
-
- It takes faith to be a Christian. You cannot "reason" God into your life. But
- God does want us to be good thinkers though.
-
- Christianity is a saving way of life. It is not separate of your person, as
- in: "I believe in the Methodist religion". You either are a Christian or you
- are not. There is no in-between.
-
- > As for me, I support the forces of Evil. I think humanity is
- > basically no damn good. Best to wipe it off the face of the earth.
-
- Then you sin against your neighbor, commit murder, think murderous thoughts,
- and follow idols ( just like a "religious person" ).
-
- > Hiz Lord Dementia
-
- Marshall
-
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