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- From: alex@mentor.cc.purdue.edu ( )
- Subject: Re: Getting Married: Grounds for Insanity Plea?
- Message-ID: <Bxx4xp.3tH@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
- Keywords: Off Your Rocker
- Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
- References: <stone.721680394@cwis> <BxsB6r.G6z@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <wallich.721944713@pepper>
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:41:48 GMT
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- In article <wallich.721944713@pepper> wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich) writes:
- >Well, I've been married for over 9 years, but I won't try to validate
- >my decision for the act, nor will I try to defend the 'institution'.
-
- Why bother? Those who wish to get married, do. Anyone who
- doesn't, simply doesn't want to, so why force them? They'll figure
- out what they're missing later.
-
- >I do have a few comments as to some 'common misconceptions' about the
- >'right' reasons to get married. BTW, I don't think Alex and I really
- >disagree, since at the end of his article he states more 'tolerant'
- ^^^^^^^^^^
- ME? Tolerant? The master of the Nuclear Missile flame attack?
- *grin*
-
- >beliefs, but since a lot of folks seem to use one of his 'grounds'
- >all too often, I wanted to say something about it.
- >
- >alex@mentor.cc.purdue.edu ( ) writes:
- >
- >>2) Marriage shows that you love your SO enough that you are willing
- >> to commit your entire life to them, making the bond between you
- >> that much stronger.
- >
- >I'd estimate that 50% of the otherwise rational people I know would
- >list this as at least one reason for getting married. It is, of
- >course, not true. The only way you can 'commit' to spend your entire
- >life with someone is to actually spend your entire life with someone.
- >"Promising" to spend your life with someone is not actually doing it.
-
- >
- >A "promise" made with legal and social entanglements may mean more to
- >some than one made outside of such an environment, but I believe you
- >should always endevour to keep your promises and should not make
- >promises that you do not belive you can keep. For me, it is like the
- >Quaker belief of not being 'sworn in' in court, since promising to
- >tell the truth there, in a formal ritual, would imply that you do
- >not *always* tell the truth.
- >
- >Saying "I promise to spend the rest of my life with you" is certainly
- >not a promise that *I* could make and know I'd be able to keep. I
- >don't think anyone who truly believes in keeping their word as a
- >matter of personal honor (or personal value, for those who dislike the
- >term 'honor') could make this promise, and intend to keep it.
- >
- >The rest of my life is a long time, and I plan to grow a lot during
- >that time, as does my spouse. We may grow in such a way that "the
- >bond" between us serves to stunt our growth, or acts as a wire holding
- >two branches of a tree together, cutting into the bark, damaging both
- >limbs.
- >
- >What if my spouse doesn't *want* me to spend the rest of my life with
- >them? Do I then have to stick around because I swore to? I could
- >promise to hold this person dear to me, as long as I live, because if
- >I am willing to make a commitment to be with someone, the person I am
- >with at the time will always be precious. I may end up really
- >disliking the person behind the facade, or the person this person
- >becomes, but the person that I know the day I make the promise I will
- >always cherish. I hear those romantics crying 'technicalities!' he's
- >talking about technicalities! Well, yeah, sort of. It's also very
- >important for me to not promise what I cannot deliver. I also believe
- >in making the *intent* clear, not just phrasing my promises so I can
- >get out of them when I find it convienient. I wasn't raised a laywer
- >:-).
- >
- >
- >Promising to work together with someone during good times and bad,
- >trying as hard as possible to work through problems and try to work
- >and stay together to nurture our mutual growth is something else.
- >Sometimes one partner may have to forgo their development to assist
- >the other. This is part of the give-and-take of a real, committed
- >relationship. A 'legal' promise, however, should hold no more
- >authority than a 'personal' promise.
- >
-
- This I disagree with. To those of us who think of getting married
- some time in the future, we (or at least I and a couple others) feel
- the need to express some sort of commitment beyond what our hearts
- have already done. Setting legal and social entanglements aside for
- a moment, ask yourself what it *really* means to be married.
- Marriage is not just something some lawyer dreamed up in order
- to be able to rip off two people at a time rather than one. It *is*
- a bond, and one I believe important. A promise to the world, not just
- your new spouse that you will always care for them. Personally, I
- feel that if you don't think you will always love a person, you
- shouldnt marry them. (That's my opinion of course, not everyone's.)
- But while love is a very strong bond between people, marriage,
- to me, has always seemed a strengthening of that bond, in a supreme
- effort to make it last forever. I have a great sense of honor. But
- does a Knight refuse to swear fealty to his Lord, because he thinks
- it's already obvious? Does a priest refuse holy orders, because he
- knows his devotion to God is already obvious? Some things *do* need
- to be reaffirmed with words. Some things *have* to be said.
- Do you stop telling your spouse that you love him/her, simply because
- they alread know? I don't.
-
-
- >>3) It gives one a personal captive audience for any and all cynicism
- >> which one chooses to spew from that time forward.
- >
- >Well, I try to use my cat's for that. They seem to take it better,
- >anyway.
-
- Cats reeally don't listen very weel, and they have a tendancy
- towards demonstrating boredom with their claws.
-
- >>The Idea behind marraige is that two people are willing to work
- >>together, in order to share their lives together with some sort
- >>of greater emotional attachment.
- >
- >[... more good stuff deleted ...]
- >
- >So, basically, it sounds like Alex and I actually agree with what a
- >'committed relationship' should be. Alex doesn't say he believes
- >marriage to be the only place that such a relationship can florish,
- >so I won't berrate him for that.
-
- Oh thank you so VERY much. ;)
-
- >
- >Gee, I guess this is enough for now.
- >
- >--
- >Ken Wallich
- >wallich@ncd.com
- >ken@wallich.com
-
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