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- From: aarons@yang.earlham.edu
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- Subject: Re: Why I don't use the word "Love" very much
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.041809.20511@yang.earlham.edu>
- Date: 16 Nov 92 09:18:09 GMT
- References: <1992Nov15.114740.783@midway.uchicago.edu>
- Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana
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- In article <1992Nov15.114740.783@midway.uchicago.edu>, mbr2@quads.uchicago.edu (Curious Of All Natures) writes:
- > I do not believe words "mean what they say". Love's about the
- > most important word I can think of that does not mean what it says.
- > What one person means by "love" is not what "love" says to ANYONE ELSE.
- > People have differnt emotional landscapes inside. People connect the
- > word to different sets of actions, different experiences, different
- > interactions. Love means different things to the SAME person.
- [stuff deleted]
- > This is very important to remember! People do not mean the same
- > thing by "love" that you do. If someone asks "Do you love me?" and you
- > answer "yes" without elaboration, they will walk away thinking you feel
- > what "love" means to _them_ and they won't have learned about your own
- > unique feelings and desires and beliefs.
-
- [Paragraph about the vagueness of love deleted]
-
- > So, I don't use the word love all that much. Instead I say
- > something complex and creative that's very me, or I write a poem, or I
- > do something that, coming from me, is very loving.
-
- It's funny that you should mention this.
- I am sorta involved with someone whom I feel very deeply for, but
- I know that she doesn't love me the same way I love her. (Ours is a
- Long-Distance open Relationship; hence the "sorta")
- I have never felt a need to say "I love you" to her. (I'll say why
- I haven't in a moment.) At the urging of my friends, however, and just to
- see what would happen, I said "I love you" to her the night (July14) before she
- left for Germany for a year. Her response was very interesting, but it
- made sense to me, at least. She said, "I don't know what love is anymore."
- At first, I was caught off-guard, but then I guessed (correctly, it seems)
- what she meant and replied, "There are over 3600 different documented
- forms of love and countless number of undocumented ones." She seemed
- relieved that I knew this, and said, "Well, in many of those other ways, I
- love you."
- This is a great comment, because it shows we both understand and
- believe what you are saying in the above statments, and it means that we
- both are aware that we love each other differently. It was something I had
- believed for a while, ever since I broke the word "marriage" to her
- (something I'd like to do with her sometime in the far future (at least
- this is what I feel right now)), and she said, among other things, "At
- least I know where you stand."
- The reason I had never said "I love you" to her before, and I said
- this to her one day (before I actually said it), is that I thought it was
- quite obvious. I feel great around her and she can see that, I made for
- her a really cool (it is, and I can't help but say it) Valentine's day
- card (never mind it was a few months late; *8-) it took a long time to
- make). I mean, I never felt the need. I guess she never did, either. I
- know she loves me because it shows.
- I agree that, as you say in a later post than the one I am
- responding to, it sometimes is important to get an idea of how the other
- person feels for you, whether it be learned by direct questioning or
- otherwise. This way, you can tell just about where your relationship stands.
- And one should be prepared for, or accepting of, a love that changes,
- whether it be your change or the other's. This way, it is less likely that
- you will be hurt in a relationship.
- Thanks for posting! I really think what you say is right on.
-
- > -Matt Ryan, this is the kind of thing philosophy will do to you,
- > mb-ryan@uchicago.edu Curious Of All Natures
- > ================================== ====================================
- > If I'm dreaming, never let me wake. You'll never see the end of the road
- > If I'm awake, never let me sleep. When you're traveling with me.
- > -old chinese fellow -Crowded House
- > ================================== ====================================
-
- Aaron G. Stock, Hooray for philosophy!
-
- P.S. Pardon me if my .sig contains the word "love" in it. It's just a
- great song, and the quoted part fits what I am feeling now. Peter Gabriel
- just has a corner on my emotions quite often. For example, "I Have the
- Touch" is MY song. I own it. It is me to a "T". (other assorted ravings
- deleted)
- P.P.S. Pardon me if that last bit should be better off in some rec.music
- group.
- P.P.P.S Pardon me if I say "Pardon me" too often.
- P.P.P.P.S. Bwa!
- P.P.P.P.P.S. (a general expression of silliness)
- P^6.S Enough already!
- --
- Aaron G. Stock | Ace Pumpkin
- aarons@yang.earlham.edu | Peter Gabriel Fan and Abalone Player
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