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- From: alex@mentor.cc.purdue.edu ( )
- Subject: Re: Romance, Cynicism, and love.
- Message-ID: <BxsHzv.2yq@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
- Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
- References: <Bwy6KI.M8D@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <25741@sybase.sybase.com>
- Distribution: alt.romance
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:35:54 GMT
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- In article <25741@sybase.sybase.com> mysti@sybase.com (Mysti) writes:
- >In article <Bwy6KI.M8D@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> alex@mentor.cc.purdue.edu ( ) writes:
- >> I've been wondering whether a truely cynical person, not one
- >>who simply claims to be cynical, but a person who lives, eats,
- >>sleeps, and radiates cynicism can possibly have a meaningful
- >>relationship.
- >
- >Depends on what you mean by cynical. If you mean that you know that
- >people will occasionally disappoint you, or that you understand that
- >anyone or anything can be taken from you without reason or a moment's
- >notice, then, no, I don't think "cynicism" is incompatible with romance
- >and love. In fact you might even put more effort into your relationship
- >if you knew you could lose it anytime.
- >
- >If however, you mean that you day in and day out expect everyone around
- >you to disappoint you and betray you, then it is highly likely the people
- >you encounter will consciously or sub (un?) consciously pick up on your
- >expectations and behave accordingly. And you couldn't pay me enough
- >money to be in your shoes in that case!
- >
-
- No, Nothing you've said above comes close to my definition of
- cynicism. I will freely admit I have a problem trusting other
- people, but that is far different from my cynicism. I find it
- hard to really define cynicism in a meaningful way, it's
- something one must see, feel, taste, to know what it is like.
- I lack the words to describe it.
-
- >>I will admit to being extraordinarily cynical,
- >>and in fact radiating cynicism, right up to the point where I met
- >>my current girlfriend, at which point I discovered it was necessary
- >>to lose one or the other, as constant cynicism ruins relationships as
- >>fast as anything else I've encountered, bar none.
- >
- >Don't you think constantly expecting the worst is just as unrealistic
- >as constantly expecting the best?
- >
-
- Not particularly, seeing as how the worst managed to happen
- quite frequently after we met, and with astonishing regularity.
- Mind you, I'm not a pessimist. I know things can, and will go
- right on occaision. However, why is cynicism always expecting the
- worst? I would believe cynicism to be expecting the best to happen,
- once you've been set for the worst, just to spite you, and then
- being in a foul mood because it didn't go they way you'd planned.
-
- >> But, as I stated, I lost quite a bit of that when I met my
- >>girlfriend. Now that we're in the middle of a long distance
- >>relationship, I find that I'm generally cynical whenever she is not
- >>with me, but lose the cynical inspiration once she is.
- >
- >Are you sure this is a cynicism issue, or a trust issue? Could you
- >be having trouble trusting people, and explaining it away as "cynicism"?
- >
-
- No, defnitely not a trust issue, we resolved that long ago.
-
- >>A friend of mine once stated "Cynicism is a derivitive of Romanticism,
- >>if you find someone who doesn't understand cynicism, they won't
- >>understand romanticism either."
- >
- >Sounds like a freshman on his first (fifth) beer...
- >
- If he heard you say that, your throat would be slit before you
- managed to utter another word. He despises alcohol.
-
- >> Could it be that Cynicism is merely a perverted (if you will
- >>excuse the phrasing, I could find no better) form of pent up, and
- >>unused romanticism? That if Romanticism has no outlet, It becomes
- >>cynicism?
- >
- >Like the prof's (should) always say, define your terms first!
- >
- >Mysti
- >--
- >========================
- >Mysti Rubert, Oaktown, California
- >
- >"It't not the men in my life, but the life in my men." Mae West
-
- Like the Alex's always say, why bother defining a term, if your
- definition isn't going to be accepted anyway? I purposely left
- the term ambiguous, mainly because many people have many different
- forms of cynicism. I would like to hear from all of them, not
- just from people who agree with me.
-
- -Alex
-
-