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- From: jerry@lds-az.loral.com (J Barbera)
- Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
- Subject: Re: Freedom of speech, choice and association
- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.083434.3377@lds-az.loral.com>
- Date: 23 Nov 92 08:34:34 GMT
- References: <1992Nov20.072527.6542@u.washington.edu> <1992Nov22.005128.23076@lds-az.loral.com> <1992Nov23.042948.3318@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>
- Organization: Loral Defense Systems Arizona
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- >>>I was lucky; not all pagans have it so easy. I do appreciate the kind
- >>>of problems you get when your family doesn't approve. But I don't see
- >>>how ISE addresses those problems. Suppose my family had been critical
- >>>of my decision. Would attempting to silence them have helped me? I
- >>>think it would have convinced them that something was really wrong.
- >>
- >>There is a lot of data available on handling PTS'ness. Silencing them
- >>is not the proper handling. Doing things like you did (discussing it, etc.)
- >>is described in detail.
- >
- >Guess I missed something here...please define "PTS'ness".
-
- This was directed to Mary who had read ISE which covers PTS'ness. Please
- refer to the book for a definition as it would be lengthy for me to type
- it up.
-
- >
- >[...]
- >>>The occultist Isaac Bonewits made a list of 14 danger signs to consider
- >>>when joining an organization. Scientology, according to what I've read
- >>>in its own publications, rings several of those warning bells: attempt
- >>>to control communication, intolerance of criticism, lack of humor,
- >>>obsession with money, emphasis on the leader, claims of infallibility.
- >>
- >>Obsession with money? The money is needed for organization survival.
- >>The obsession is with survival if anything.
- >
- >Do you believe Scn as a whole needs more money? Does most of the
- >money taken in go towards upkeep and 'organization survival', or does
- >it head Up & Up until it disappears? Maybe we should start a new
- >thread, and try to estimate the Church's financial situation. Make
- >some assumptions, plug in some figures, see what turns up. Maybe my
- >hunch is wrong, but I think the Church takes in _far_ more than is
- >needed to keep it afloat. Let's play with some numbers, & see.
-
- The Phx Org, where I was on staff, does need more money. The buidling,
- for instance, is very old and rather unsuitable. The air conditioning
- had been broken for a year (remember this is Phoenix, AZ where 110's F
- weather is normal in the summer). Running low on supplies is common.
-
- Up & up: Phx Org sends 10% of its income up to, I think, FOLO West US.
- This is a management organization that has no other income. FOLO, in
- turn, sends a small percentage up to another organization. Etc.
- This money is turned into TV and magazine ads which benefit PHX Org.
- Also, other materials are made available to benefit PHX Org. Plus,
- the management organizations depend on a fraction of the 10% for
- their organizational expenses.
-
- I dare you to play with some numbers. Then you would see.
-
- Jonathon
- Barbera
-