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- From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
- Subject: Re: Scientology FAQ.
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- References: <1992Nov16.084801.2093@lds-az.loral.com> <1992Nov16.160555.18066@stortek.com> <1992Nov19.041731.16568@lds-az.loral.com>
- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:19:25 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov19.041731.16568@lds-az.loral.com> jerry@lds-az.loral.com (J Barbera) writes:
- >>[...]: what I'm asking about is the effectiveness of Scientology. Some sort
- >>of surveying of participants with statistical controls. Something
- >>resembling *scientific* research.
- >
- >After the person has been trained, he/she can become a field auditor.
- >There are currently a lot of field auditors. They audit people outside of
- >churches or missions. This is okay. LRH set it up so this can be done.
-
- What has this got to do with rigorous, *scientific* research?
-
- >>Can you think of any way that that could be done, Jonathon?
- >
- >Just as I said originally. Get some people, get them trained, and have
- >them audit people. Then use the research stuff to research the results.
-
- Would it have Scientific rigor?
-
- I'm betting not: how Scientology has been represented so far in this group
- is with no scientific rigor whatsoever. I have never before heard of an
- equation that works no matter what units you apply to it. That's not
- rigor.
-
- >>Different question: can you think of any reason why the church *wouldn't*
- >>want it to be done?
- >
- >Policy allows for field auditors and field groups.
-
- Can you explain how that answers the question: why wouldn't Scientology want
- rigorous measurment done of its effectiveness?
-
- >>If you feel incapable or unqualified to answer this request, then say so. If
- >>you feel there's categorically no way for the CoS to satisfy this request,
- >>then say that. But don't dance around and say nonsense like I'm "disputing
- >>Scn's results." What I'm disputing is the presence of independently
- >>verifiable results. So far, you have not provided *any* of them.
- >
- >If you and others out there want "independently verifiable results" you might
- >want to get them through your own research. Right? Isn't that proof?
-
- I'm asking Scientology to provide independent research. So far, you think
- that that's an impossibility. It is not.
-
- To answer your question, no -- me doing my own thing would not be rigorous,
- scientific research. I am not trained to do that kind of research, and I'm
- unwilling to spend the massive amounts of time that it would take to do
- satisfactory work in this area.
-
- You see -- I'm not sure you fathom what it would *mean* for someone to
- research Scientology with rigor. It ain't some individual diving in and
- checking it out. It's an impartial team observer objectively observing what it
- sees. And constantly being on the lookout to ensure that they remain
- objective. It's not a trivial thing to do. It's very difficult.
-
- --phil
-
-