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- From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
- Newsgroups: alt.rap
- Subject: Re: pIN The Tail On The Honky (Ice Cube/Lenchmob)
- Date: 19 Nov 92 00:07:44
- Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
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- In-reply-to: v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu's message of 19 Nov 92 06:45:00 GMT
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- >>>>> "Amil" == Amil <v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu> writes:
- [lots of stuff deleted]
- Amil> Thats a good point. True, the record co. has 'final cut' through
- Amil> the contract, but its still a form of censorship. Any way you look at
- Amil> it.
- Amil> But thats not my focus anyway. Nobodys REALLY cryin censorship
- Amil> over those incedents...ARE THEY? No. Ice Cube isnt complaining. But
- Amil> then why write about it? Why make a big deal about it?
-
- What is your focus then? Nobody's crying censorship because there was none.
-
- Amil> ...BECAUSE it will LEAD to, what you call, "real cases of
- Amil> censorship". See, all the warning signs are NOW...we cant come alive
- Amil> when rap is banned, we have to stop that from happening! Now.
-
- Where's the banning in this case? Fill me in. One party provided some
- material. The other decided they wouldn't distribute it. I fail to see how
- this is banning or could even lead to banning. We practice this behavior
- every day. I learned about incremental parsing today and choose not to tell
- you. Am I banning information on incremental parsing?
-
- *My* point is that there's a hell of a lot of information that is truly
- censored. Information that the government, corporations, and individuals
- would actively prevent you from receiving because they consider it indecent
- or dangerous to their power. Nobody, other than Ice Cube, is actively
- preventing you from hearing "Pin the Tail on the Honky". To try and puff
- this up into a real case of censorship or even the beginnings of censorship
- is just plain incorrect. Worse it confuses the issue.
-
- Amil> And you seem a little confused, actually. You should know
- Amil> that censorship IS DONE by "*somebody else*". You should look up
- Amil> the definition. It fits.
-
- Sure but in this case what is that *someone else* doing?
-
- From Webster's Ninth Collegiate Dictionary:
- censor: To examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered
- objectionable.
-
- Is Ice Cube's record company suppressing or deleting something considered
- objectionable? Certainly they're choosing not to be associated with
- something they consider objectionable. If that's your definition of
- censorship and you object to it then I'm sure you would appreciate the
- Klan's right to burn a cross on your front yard. Otherwise *you* would be
- censoring their free speech.
-
- Amil> But all Im really saying is that unless the hip-hop LISTENERS
- Amil> speak up...
-
- About what? Let me know when you come up with something.
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