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- From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
- Subject: Re: Overpopulation and other leftist myths (was Re: VOTE, BABY, VOTE!)
- In-Reply-To: ipser@solomon.technet.sg's message of Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:15:26 GMT
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- Sender: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
- Organization: The World
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- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:31:39 GMT
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- From: ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser)
- >There is no overpopulation problem.
- >
- >People are nowhere starving as a result of overpopulation. On the
- >contrary, increasing population is the key commerce and human
- >advancement, generally.
-
- The point you are perhaps trying to make is that there are, or easily
- could be, sufficient calories and other nutrients to support the
- current world's population (and likely more.)
-
- The problem being mostly distribution, most of that food is not where
- the hungry people are, and it would cost a lot of money to get it
- there (not to mention that the hungry cannot pay for the food itself,
- let alone its transportation even if the food were free.)
-
- To posit that observation as demonstrating there is no overpopulation
- problem is a bit disingenuous, unless you have some plan to fix the
- distribution problem then some areas of the world are heavily
- overpopulated *for the amount of food they are able to produce or
- likely to obtain*. It's a relative problem, and will be so long as
- transportation (at least) costs more than some can afford.
-
- The desertification of the north of Africa is a particularly harsh
- problem, entire countries are being rendered unable to support their
- existant populations due to changes in climate. There is no doubt that
- in many of these same areas political and other troubles exacerbate
- the problems, but there are also relatively orderly societies there
- who are dying in the same way, if not so dramatically.
-
- >As Juliam Simon as amply demonstrated, every resource of
- >signifance, from metals to food stuffs, has decreased in price over
- >the last century. And, of course, when you consider other sources of
- >human wealth such as knowledge and skill, the finite resources
- >argument crumbles even further.
-
- This is probably true, but it doesn't seem to help the fact that
- thousands of people die of starvation daily. Perhaps your answer is to
- tell them what they should be doing. Good luck.
-
- >Of course, those who push the population problem usually have an
- >agenda which requires it.
-
- Unlike those who blithely deny any?
-
- >For example, many leftists are weded to
- >the idea of controlling population because it is a convenient
- >bridge to controlling people, generally.
-
- Unlike the right-wing anti-welfare sterilize welfare mothers crowd?
-
- Unlike Dan Quayle's Murphy Brown right-wing moralist comments, and
- more importantly what they represent? Unlike the right-wing
- dictatorships in South America that turn their backs on gangs-for-hire
- who "disappear" unwanted teen-agers?
-
- I don't think this particularly ugliness, where it is ugly, has any
- particular political affiliation. You just want to rail against your
- favorite bogey-men. Any port in a storm I suppose.
-
- --
- -Barry Shein
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