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- From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
- Subject: Re: Guns & self defense
- Message-ID: <1992Nov21.002301.19866@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
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- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:23:01 GMT
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- In article <Bxz1q0.HA7@access.digex.com> corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:
- >This is true. But do you really believe that you'll be able to use that
- >fraction of a second to draw a gun, release the safety, cock it (if necessary),
- >and fire it effectively any faster than you could use hand to hand combat
- >techniques, or, better yet, run away and scream your bloody head off?
-
- Let's consider MacAnndra's scenario.
-
- You're standing about 5 feet away from someone who has the ability to
- kill you in the time it takes to move a finger. He's said "move and
- I'll kill you" and you're pretty sure he's going to kill you no matter
- what you do.
-
- He can move that finger before you can do much. You don't have time
- to close, let alone do anything useful when you do. Yelling won't
- help and you don't have time to turn, let alone to run. However, you
- can draw and fire a couple of shots accurately before he can move that
- finger.
-
- Why? Well, reaction, which is what he's doing takes time. It doesn't
- take a lot of time, but it does take time. You can complete some acts
- during that time, but not many. It's easy enough to demonstrate that
- draw and fire is one of those things. (Police understand this, which
- is why they're so twitchy in certain situations; the action/reaction
- gap doesn't depend on the legal status of the parties involved.)
- However, if your "fire" doesn't have a decent chance of stopping that
- finger, it won't help. There aren't many things other than guns that
- qualify.
-
- >Don't ban the guns, ban the uses to which they are put.
-
- Which now-legal uses should be banned? Murder and assault are already
- banned. What will be the benefit of banning self-defense? How about
- recreational shooting? Hunting? (I note that hunters are provide the
- bulk of the habitat preservation money. Sure, more would be nice, but
- we non-hunters aren't kicking much in now and it isn't clear that that
- will change if the hunters stop.)
-
- >Greater social consciousness is what's needed, and you can't regulate that
- >with a bunch of laws.
-
- Right. So maybe we should oppose those who want to propose measures
- that won't help but will use the resources we need to increase
- social conciousness.
-
- -andy
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