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- Subject: Re: I got the feed FINALLY !
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.021136.26001@news.stolaf.edu>
- From: adams@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Brynach ap Adda)
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:11:36 GMT
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- In article <ZaL8TB1w165w@brewich.hou.tx.us> donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal) writes:
- >kuritzky@purina.berkeley.edu (Eric Kuritzky) writes:
- >
- >> In article <D3imTB1w164w@gatecom.UUCP>
- >> falcore@gatecom.UUCP (Carolyn C. Doss L.V.T.) writes:
- >> >Blessings ,
- >> > I finally got the news feed so I know that I can post my question
- >> >now........My question is ...... Has anyone had a very ill friend who is
- >> >Christian that doesn't know you are Wiccan, that you want to do some majic
- >> >for ......I would like to do a healing right for my friend but am unable to
- >> >tell her anything about it .......I desperately need a suggestion .
- >> (stuff deleted)
- >> Please do not, under any circumstances, force magic on anyone without
- >> their knowledge and consent. I have a friend who was seriously harmed by
- >> someone who was trying to "help" hir this way.
- >
- >Some persons have mistakenly gotten the impression that doing no harm
- >somehow means not acting without consent. If you saw someone about to
- >be run over by a car they did not see coming and you had the ability
- >to remove them from harms way but not the time to ask them if it was
- >ok first, would you let them be run over? This simple question
- >demonstrates room for action.
-
- Unfortunately, I have seen much the same scenario used by evangelical
- Christians to justify hard-sell proselytizing of those of other
- religions. Not that I'm suggesting there's much parallel between a
- fundy's praying "for" me and anything a modern pagan would do for
- a sick friend.
-
- .If you feel you must ask your friends
- >permission, ask if you may pray for her. There is very little real
- >difference between spells and prayers,right? So just do it, if you
- >know it is right and if your only motive is love, it cannot be wrong.
-
- Again, that's troublesome language. Most evangelicals, too, "know"
- they are "right" and feel they are only acting through "love", though
- the uninformed and mostly impersonal sentiment they call "love" is
- in my opinion a corruption of the term.
-
- In my opinion, it's okay to send healing energy with or without
- permission, but you had better do a bit of soul-searching first.
- If a friend of mine has pneumonia, I'd have no problem sending a
- bit of strength along to help them through it. What one really
- needs to beware is sending an agenda, conscious or unconscious,
- along with the magic. Thus I won't pray for my annoying friends
- to get over their personality defects, or my drunk friends to stop
- drinking, unless I am invited to help with the solution. I don't
- want to force my agenda for "recovery" on another person; that's
- violence, which I don't like to be a part of.
-
- I ought to note that I have undertaken manipulative magic, in
- particular against corporate entities that demonstrate disregard
- for our rivers, wildlife and Native communities. However, like
- Malcolm X, I wouldn't call that violence; I'd call it intelligence.
-
- >Donal, SysAdmin of The Brewers' Witch BBS -- +1 713 272 7350
-
- Brynach Brawdfran ap Adda (Sam Adams) adams@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu
-
- "I am the Wheel, I am the Turning..." - Brian Eno and John Cale
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