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- Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
- Subject: Greatness v. innovation
- Date: 23 Nov 1992 23:26:36 GMT
- Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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- >>To be "great" you have to be innovative.
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- >That's moronic. If it is true I cant' think of a truly great or
- >purely innovative musician since the likes of Robert Johnson.
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-
- Well...I would not go so far as to say that position is moronic...
-
- However, there is some truth to the reply...Led Zeppelin was not
- innovative in the least...all they did was combine old blues tunes
- with Black Sabbath heaviness...They were, by general consensus, a
- great band...(Not in my opinion...but that's just me.)...Santana
- made use of Latino rhythms...sounds which had been around for
- decades...no real innovation there...It is very difficult for any
- band to be really innovative any longer...most music has become
- variations on a theme...
-
- Charlie Parker was innovative...prior to him..there was no Bebop jazz
- but if you give him the innovator's mantle then artists like Miles Davis
- or Dizzy Gillespie or John Coltrane are not great???...I don't think that
- the "great if and only if (iff) innovative" argument works...
-
- So...the only artists which can be great are those which really found
- the field?...For industrial then...only Lou Reed would be great then...
- because his Noise-fest on vinyl "Metal Machine Music" pre-dated previously
- believed great bands like SPK, Throbbing Gristle, Cabaret Voltaire, and the
- like...I mean Lou certainly was innovative...but TG, SPK and the like were
- great bands...
-
-
- Ah well...those are my $.02...
-
- Later all.
- -justin
-
- (In fact, as I think about it...a case could be made against Robert Johnson
- because of the general nature of the blues (spirituals and all that) and the
- fact Johnson had a number of contemporaries who were certainly stronger
- players...and were possibly Johnson's mentors....Son House and Charlie
- Patton come immediately to mind....so Robert Johnson could be struck down to
- too, that is...)
-