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- From: ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu (Gary Byma)
- Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
- Subject: Reasoning with homophobes?? (was: Re: Reasoning of homos???
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:25:36 EST
- Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island USA
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- Message-ID: <1e9oo5INN3io@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>
- References: <92320.173143QAA@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Nov16.152428.24932@samba.oit.unc.edu> <1992Nov16.174635.16304@netcom.com> <1992Nov16.191127.5469@samba.oit.unc.edu>
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- In article <1992Nov16.191127.5469@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
- Gary.Saunders@launchpad.unc.edu (Gary Saunders) said:
- >
- >If he calls you a faggot, and you call him a stupid het boy, have the two
- >of you made any progress? Are you any closer to a tolerant society in
- >which homosexuality is not frowned upon?
-
- >
- Sorry, Gary, you are flat wrong. Why must it always be the oppressed
- group that is tolerant of the ignorance and vituperative diatribes
- of the oppressors? If someone straight posts hateful stupid homophobic
- shit onto a homosexual newsgroup, it's the equivalent of someone
- coming into my home and attacking my family. He deserves what he gets.
- It is excessively tiresome to have to deal with the shit. We have heard
- it over and over and over again, and it's never any different. That is,
- same shit different homophobe. Clearly, while you may not be guilty of
- posting this homophobic crap yourself, you do not understand the anger
- that wells up each time you are forced to face it again.
- It takes a sense of self to realize that you don't have to take it
- from dolts such as these and you can strike back. Stop trying to tell
- us to be the tolerant ones, we know we don't have to tolerate this
- any more.
-
- >Seriously, this group too often takes on overtones of over-simplification.
- >"Gay guys make better friends for women."
-
- The fact is, we do. We don't bring along the baggage of potential
- sexual conquest to the relationship which makes the whole enterprise
- a much more comfortable affair.
-
- >"Stupid het boys deserve condemnation."
-
- Yup.
-
- >"All men who oppose homosexuality are secretly gay."
-
- The fact is, a good many of them are. While I was still closeted, I
- was very opposed to homosexuals and very distrustful of them. It is
- hard to wonder why a secure, heterosexual would be more than merely
- indifferent on the subject of homosexuality. Why so threatened?
-
- >"All gay men like anal sex."
-
- Okay, you score one right so far.
-
- >"Heterosexuals just don't understand."
-
- I'll give you this one, too. I have several VERY understanding
- heterosexual friends which leads me to wonder at those less than
- understanding types. What's their problem?
- >
- >All I'm asking is that each of us be treated as individuals.
-
- You got it. But as soon as an individual shows his/her stripes,
- they get treated accordingly, which is what happened in the cited
- case.
-
- >Gary.Saunders
-
- Gary Byma
-