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- From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
- Newsgroups: alt.guitar
- Subject: Re: Power Tubes (long) was Built your own amp?
- Message-ID: <By1M98.LG6@cmptrc.lonestar.org>
- Date: 21 Nov 92 01:46:19 GMT
- Sender: cmptrc.lonestar.org
- Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX
- Lines: 86
-
- Sorry for the long post, email to David bounced, besides other tube-heads
- out there may like to read my blabberings.
-
- In article <By0F1H.8E1@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
- >
- >The EL34 is a beam pentode. Originally Marshalls came equipped with Mullard
- >versions. When they were shipped to the US some bright spark had the idea of
- >pulling the EL34s and replaceing them with 6550, also a beam pentode. 6550
- >give a little extra power but with a slightly harder edge. The reason for the
- >
- >The purpose of 'beaming' is to improve the low level linearity of a multi-grid
- >valve. Most pentodes do it.
- >It's fairly common practise in the US to connect the extra screen grid
- >internally to the cathode whereas in the UK all the grids are brought out to
- >the pins and the cathode connection made externally. That's the only reason
- >an EL 34 appears to have a true screen grid, a 6550 has one too, it's just
- >connected to the cathode inside the valve to save you the trouble.
- >
- >Maybe your thinking about a tetrode like the KT88.
- >.
- >
- >>EL-34/6CA7's. The American made GE and Sylvania 6CA7/EL-34's were beam
- >>power tubes and not power pentodes.
- >
- >I don't know about the US firms but I'm sure Mullard would be extremely
- >surprised to discover that their EL34 wasn't a pentode.
- >
-
- Screen grid connected to Cathode ????? HuH ???? Here's the terminology
- I'm using (this is from ARRL books, these are the US terms. Your UK terms
- must be different from what we're familiar with over here):
-
- Triode = cathode, control grid, plate (let's exclude filaments
- as cathodes in directly
- heated types.)
- Tetrode = cathode, control grid, screen grid, plate.
- Pentode = cathode, control grid, screen grid, suppressor grid, plate.
-
- We must be disagreeing due to a language barrier, in US tube terminology,
- the screen grid is the second grid from the cathode going outward to the
- plate.
- That means both "power pentodes" and "beam power tubes" (and tetrodes) have
- screen grids, usually connected to a high positive voltage at a little
- lower potential than the plate.
-
- All the 6550's I've ever seen (or taken apart) have no third grid
- ( suppressor grid is US terminology). In it's place, they have a much more
- solid piece of metal, like a plate, (the "beam" electrode) but with holes
- cut in it as little "windows" thru which the electron beams pass. This
- electrode is usually connected internally to the cathode like the 3rd grid
- in a lot of pentodes. Having this kind of electrode (instead of a real
- "grid") is why we refer to it as a "beam power tube" even though it is
- technically a variety of pentode. The same description applies to the
- "real" 6L6's we used to be able to get here and also to the US made
- 6CA7/EL34's that used to be available here (but are no more). The European
- style EL-34's (the only ones available now) that I've taken apart
- have all had a real third grid, made of wire wound around forms, similarly
- constructed to the 1st and 2nd grids. If there are 6550's made nowadays
- that have a real 3rd grid, please post the brand names, I'd really like
- to get four of them for my amp since the only ones I've got left are a
- pair of the small GE's and a pair of the big GE's (all are beam power type)
- and my best friend has been begging me to relinquish the two big ones for
- his 50w Marshall and I'm afraid I'm gonna have to give in since his amp
- sounded so bad the last time we played. Right now I'm currently running
- 6L6's (the real ones) and occasionally switching to some Sovtek 5881's
- for a little variety. I've thought a lot about just using the EL-34's but
- I'm hitting the output tubes with nearly 725 volts DC and I was afraid
- that'd be a bit rough on EL-34's. (I can vary the 1st grid bias from
- anywhere between -25 to -75 volts). I guess I could cut the B+ down to
- half and use the EL-34's on 350volts since I really don't need all the power
- output.... I'd rather sacrifice some raw output power for better output
- tube overdrive that wasn't as harsh as the 6L6's since I've got plenty
- of volume and can always mike the guitar cabinets through the PA system if
- I ever need the extra volume.
-
- Ob KT-88's> I've got access to four ancient KT-88's and a pair of KT-66's, I
- wonder what they'd sound like in a guitar amp???
-
- Whew !!!!
-
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- "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
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