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- From: dpg@cs.nott.ac.uk (Dave `geek' Gymer)
- Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
- Subject: Re: HyperTextish stuff
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.094621.12334@cs.nott.ac.uk>
- Date: 16 Nov 92 09:46:21 GMT
- References: <1992Nov11.223716.6341@primerd.prime.com>
- Reply-To: dpg@cs.nott.ac.uk (Dave Gymer)
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- Organization: Association of Slack Producing Geeks
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- In article <1992Nov11.223716.6341@primerd.prime.com> jasonp@sunbabe.Prime.COM (Jason Pascucci) writes:
- >I'm looking for a point-and-click/scroll kind of index, as well as a search,
- >basically.
-
- I think TUG! 2 should have something like this, although the exact
- details of the interface haven't been worked out yet (one reason why a
- post like yours is useful). TUG! 0.22 allowed you to look at a list of
- all the index entries, and then pick one from there; effectively doing
- the same job, just with the added inconvenience of having to type the
- article number of the entry of interest (for which the TAB completion
- doesn't help much).
-
- >The help a program can give you is immessurable. Picture:
- >You are browsing through an entry on Good Drinks, and you
- >have a great idea for an article on Gin's I have known. *click*,
- >up comes the window with skeleton, you type your entry, add in some
- >cross references, hopefully also a point-and-click operation, and
- >*click* you send it off. Simple. No tapdancing required.
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-
- What you've just asked for requires a complete text editor to be built
- into the browser. Either it's gonna be a really crummy editor, or this
- is going to bloat the browser beyond sensible limits. The only way
- round I can see is to let you select xrefs either before or after you do
- the editing; this might actually be a Good Thing, since you could then
- update xrefs to other articles on the fly. Thoughts, anyone?
-
- >No, I think the lack of a easy way to submit articles, which should
- >be very closely tied into the browser, is the reason. That, and
- >that many people unsubscribed to this newsgroup because it was
- >quickly turning into a abortion.
-
- I remain skeptical about this. Would you be happier if the editors were
- to accept entries in any format, and agree to add the headers
- themselves? (Fear not, Paul and Steve, I'm suggesting for a minute that
- you actually do this!)
-
- >When (not now) you can present
- >a concerted and integrated front, then you can post to all the various
- >newsgroups (rec.lit, alt.sex, whatever) about this, and you will get
- >some response.
-
- alt.sex, huh? Hmm, wonder what sort of entries we'd get from there...
-
- >>[Notes about binary distributions and autoconf deleted.]
- >1) Yes I am. You have to compile it for about a half-dozen platforms,
- >which IS NOT A BIG DEAL. Take a look at the netrek example. It's been
- >done, and is fairly reasonable to maintain.
-
- Which half-dozen? I could start trying to list all the different UNIX
- platforms that people might want to compile TUG! 2 on, but, I think
- you'll agree, it comes to rather more than 6. Or 10. Or 20. Hell, if
- my 386 running Linux can't run binaries from other 386 Unices, why
- should I expect to provide binaries for more than a handful of the more
- common Unices?
-
- If you want to volunteer to provide binaries for you particular flavors
- of UNIX, fine, but don't expect me or anyone else to compile up a
- browser on any system that someone wants it on, it just isn't practical,
- or desirable, given that TUG! is covered by the GNU GPL.
-
- >2) Gnu Autoconf is a real abortion in and of itself, and while I don't
- >think you shouldn't use it, include a 'normal' Makefile. You shouldn't
- >be doing *that* many funny implementation-specific things, if you are,
- >then you are clearly doing something fairly major wrong. (I, personally,
- >prefer the Imake/xmkmf idiom for dealing with similar things. But
- >you are only assured to have it on an X platform.)
-
- Have you known _any_ piece of non-trivial UNIX software that compiled on
- both BSD and SysV with no source changes? Nope, me neither; the variety
- of Unices is quite alarming!
-
- What have you got against Autoconf? It's not exactly difficult to edit
- a Makefile.in into a Makefile even if you can't run a configure script
- (and I can't think why you shouldn't be able to).
-
- Imake is nice if you've got X (I finally got it installed on my PC under
- Linux a coupla weeks ago), but it doesn't solve all portability issues,
- just, in general, X-related ones.
-
- >>[Stuff about finding a DOS box deleted.]
- >Wrongo, BeetleBreath. [...]
-
- Ouch! `BeetleBreath'! Now that hurts! :-)
- --
- `Grave' Dave Gymer
- Life is like a grapefruit.
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- Louth, Lincs | Law: "The perversity of the universe tends towards a
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