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- From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
- Subject: Re: CDs cheaper to make than cassettes?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.125102.25706@news.columbia.edu>
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- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:51:02 GMT
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- In article <TRIF.92Nov16154954@bike.rad.washington.edu> trif@bike.rad.washington.edu (To Run In Fear) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov16.193529.1384@vicorp.com> jmethot@vicorp.com (John Methot) writes:
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- > This would be a great explanation except for the existence of one other
- > major difference between the SX and DX intel processors. The DX procs
- > have 32 bit wide access to the motherboard's data bus, while the data
- > path on SX's is only 16 bits wide. Both have 32 bit *internal* data busses.
- > The SX were actually made *on purpose* to be plug compatible with older
- > (16 bit data bus) motherboards.
- 386SX is 16 bits wide externally, and not compatible with anything. There
- is a board sold by Kingston Data Systems that allows a 386SX to plug into
- it, and then the composite is plugged into the 80286 socket on the motherboard.
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- To complicate matters, there is now a non-Intel chip that calls itself 486SX
- and it is a 16-bit external chip also. It is pin-compatible with the 386SX
- and presumably could be not only dropped in as a replacement for 386SX
- designs (note, most of the cheap 386SX designs *solder* the CPU chip in!),
- but also in that Kingston board for use in upgrading a 286 machine to a
- 486 albeit only 16 megs of memory maximum. (This 16-bit 486SX chip,
- the 386SX, and the 80286 all have the 16-meg limit due to the 16-bit memory
- buss.)
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- > The "half defective" explanation above *does* apply to processors of
- > varying speed. A 20MHz x86 is the same as a 25 or 33MHz except for the
- > existence of some manufacturing defect that prevents it from passing
- > functional tests at the higher speed.
- >
- >You are mixing up the 486 and 386 versions of SX and DX. A stupid move on
- >Intel's part, IMHO, but c'est la vie. A 486 SX has a disabled co-processor.
- >A 386 SX has the smaller external path.
- >
- >As far as speed differences go, you are mostly right. I'm not sure I would
- >call it a manufacturing defect in the sense that if you buy a low speed chip
- >that you are getting a defective chip. A 20MHz chip just might be able to
- >pass a 25MHz test, but you'll never know unless you try it and blow the chip.
-
- The chip doesn't blow up, it merely fails to execute the instructions, thus
- it won't run programs. Most boxes have a "turbo" switch so you can first
- run it at a much lower speed. Once you get a diagnostic program going, raise
- the speed and watch it either work or fail, possibly not even being able
- to report the errors.
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- cjl
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