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- From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
- Subject: Re: Child Support
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- Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 15:03:56 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov15.024901.5868@microsoft.com> jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes:
- >In article <1du6ukINNgl5@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> maufd@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J S Graley) writes:
- >>In article <1992Nov11.164401.6552@midway.uchicago.edu> mec6@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
- >>>beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
- >>>>jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes:
- >>>>>I would expand on "request". I would support requiring that the
- >>>>>woman must notify the man within [some period of time] after becoming
- >>>>>pregnant that she is pregnant. Within [some period of time] after
- >>>>>they will file a "parenting plan" with the state.
- >>>
- >>>>What happens if they disagree -- ie., the default occurs?
- >
- >If they disagree, meditation, possibly court. The default does
- >NOT occur if they disagree. The default exists only to save
- >paperwork.
-
- Okay -- but I'd still find the paper-saving default dangerous,
- because it could somehow justify the conclusion that men don't
- want to be involved. (Eg., the existence of women's shelters
- and the lack of men's shelters lends credibilility to saying that
- men are not victims of spousal violence.)
-
- The other problem is that a woman could choose to hide the identity
- of the father, so that the default would occur. I don't think the
- father's parental rights should ever be terminated by default, even
- when no objection is made.
-
- There are already birth-certificates, insurance forms, hospital forms,
- social-security applications, etc., to fill out, and IMHO the paper-savings
- isn't enough.
-
- I am glad that your default wouldn't occur if there was any debate --
- I was a little afraid you were justifying unequal treatment in the name
- of generalizations or efficiency.
-
-
- >>>No, because in the default situtation Jen outlined (when no "parenting
- >>>plan" is filed) the woman becomes the sole legal parent.
- >>
- >>Why?
-
- >We don't have to have a default for unmarried couples. But, yeah,
- >I said that the default for unmarried couples would be the woman
- >as sole parent. Mainly cause I figure that if I get pregnant, if
- >he doesn't want to be involved, that's what'll happen.
-
- It's fine with me if you want to make that assumption for yourself.
- I just don't see a need to put it into a law.
-
- I assume, for myself, that if I walk in Philadelphia at night, I stand
- a much greater chance of being mugged than when I walk in State College
- (also PA) at night. But I don't want the law to require a curfew
- in Philadelphia.
-
- Similarly, *even* if statistical evidence were to show that most men
- don't want to be involved, it would still not be a compelling reason
- to treat men and women differently under the law.
-
- Don
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