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- From: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg)
- Newsgroups: alt.feminism
- Subject: Re: heterosexuality and feminism
- Message-ID: <1992Nov21.161252.6193@nmsu.edu>
- Date: 21 Nov 92 16:12:52 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov18.043254.24606@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko) writes:
- (stuff deleted)
- >Well , I'd agree that the whole story is more complicated. Originally
- >feminists (after too complicated for me reasoning :-) ) decided, that
- >2+2=5 . Now they're saying : " Well, 2+2=4.5, but we'd be lenient to
- >those nasty males (who think that 2+2=4). Let's tell'em, that 2+2=4.1 "
- >*sarcasm off*
- > Major failure of any leftist ideology is the reluctance to admit that
- >truth DO exist and do not depend on anybody's opinion.
-
- Wait a second. As a math graduate student, I would argue that 2+2=4 is not a
- truth; rather it is a rule to a game that we choose to play. If we
- all though that addition in Z4 was better, then 2+2=0. That's how I
- feel about most "truths", mainly that they are true given a certain
- set of assumptions. Abortion is wrong, IF you accept that life begins
- at conception and murder is wrong. Pornography oppresses women, IF
- you accept axioms about the socialization of women.
-
- Most arguments tend to fall into three groups:
- 1) Your arguments don't make much sense given my axioms.
- This is what most of the pro-choice/pro-life, abortion is murder/a
- women's right to choose is made up of. Pointless shouting at each
- other.
- 2) Your axioms do not model the real world as well as mine.
- This seems to be a better form of argument. However, trying to mess
- with one's primal beliefs is not easy; after all as the above shows
- most people don't think of their beliefs as axioms, they think of them
- as THE TRUTH. That makes it harder to argue with them.
- 3) Your argument does not follow logically from your stated axioms.
- Personal favorite. Good example is "Women have aright to control
- their own body" implies "Drugs should be legalized (at least for women)".
-
- Anyway, I, for one, do not assume that I have stumbled upon a mountain
- of enlightenment. Therefore I assume that my beliefs are just that:
- my beliefs. Other people's are equally valid. If only our so called
- sceptic could come to the same conclusion...
- -David "ZZYZX" Steinberg- King of the ellipses
- (dsteinbe@emmy.nmsu.edu)
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