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- From: mec6@quads.uchicago.edu (rini)
- Subject: Re: Sexist and 50/50 (Was: Elle MacPherson causes rape?)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov21.173824.17310@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
- References: <1992Nov21.171201.28157@wam.umd.edu>
- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:38:24 GMT
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- hillyard@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Sean Edward Hillyard) writes:
- >mec6@quads.uchicago.edu (rini):
-
- >> To the point, are there situations you can think of that exist today
- >> where men and women participate in something equally and where the very
- >> fact of 50/50 participation is evidence of sexism? (For clarity, let's set
- >> aside the whole idea of "forced quotas" etc.) I must admit that I'm
- >> having a hard time coming up with examples to prove your point.
-
- >How about professional tennis, golf and the olympics.
-
- Interesting. How do you consider 50/50 participation in these things
- sexist?
-
- I guess as I think about it, you could that sports are in general "sexist",
- (in the more benign sense of the term, at least) but that's not because
- of 50/50 participation, but because each event is barred from
- the one sex.... so it's more like 100/0 participation... ?
-
- Do you think that the practice of having same sex competitions has a
- bad side effect? Is it unjust?
-
- >Or even
- >college athletics where the courts have begun requiring (a Univ. of
- >Washington ruling comes to mind) that a certain percentage of participants
- >have to be women. Here we have a clear case of a big advantage for a certain
- >sex and the solution is not to have open tryouts with the best, regardless
- >of sex, making the team, but instead a fixed percentage required to be women.
-
- I believe it could be argued that this called "forced quotas". (See my text
- above.) You could argue otherwise, though, since the men and women are
- not trying out for the same team. (That is, a good female athlete cannot
- "bump" a male from his team, right?)
-
- Do you think it a non-sex-prejudiced society that differentiated men's and
- women's sports would cease to exist? Do you think that different
- percentages of participants would be men and women?
-
- rini
-