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- From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
- Subject: Re: sex in the good ol' days
- Message-ID: <1992Nov21.041944.20013@netcom.com>
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- References: <1992Nov15.182653.10521@midway.uchicago.edu> <1992Nov16.172842.16463@netcom.com> <1992Nov16.202344.25055@midway.uchicago.edu>
- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:19:44 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov16.202344.25055@midway.uchicago.edu> mec6@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
- > It didn't seem absurd enough for
- >me to question it. After all, there was a religiously inspired
- >celibacy movement at that time in our country.
-
- Not ABSURD enough to question? This "Minister's Wife" writes
- a supposed 19th century piece using 20th-century language and phrases,
- displays the type of man-hatred that only came into existence very
- recently, and doesn't even *mention* "God", or "self-sacrifice,"
- or "duty"!!!!!!! And you people think it's a 19th-century item!
-
- Gosh, I thought that the University of Chicago was, like,
- real cultured, you know? Rini, why don't you show this to one of your
- school's professors of English literature and ask if this was written
- in the late 19th century by a Minister's wife!
- >
- >Besides -- my grandmother (who is still alive) was born the year that
- >this peice was supposed to have been written. It's not *that* old.
- >(We have plenty of writting in my family that has been preserved from
- >that time and it doesn't come across as Shakespearean or anything.
- >Even the turn of the century Quaker pamphlets I have at home do not
- >sound foreign, and you know that Quakers are weird about language,
- >saying "thee" and "thou" and all.)
-
- Look, it's not the use of "thee" or "methinks" that dates a piece of writing.
- Rather, it's the phraseology, the cultural presuppositions, the
- underlying moral asumptions, etc.
-
- University of Chicago, huh?
- >
- >- So where did the Cheif Seattle quote come from?
-
- From a Hollywood scriptwriter, on a TV show! He said what Chief Seattle
- "should have said" so well (displaying, of course, 20th-Century
- phrasing, and concerns) that the hoax speech has become sort of the
- "Lord's Prayer" of the ecology movement. For a debunking of the hoax,
- see the New York Times, April 21, 1992 ("Chief Seattle's 1854 Ecological
- Lament Is '71 Script").
-
- --
-
- Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
-
- Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!
-
- "Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet.
- Then all things are at risk. It is as when a conflagration has
- broken out in a great city, and no man knows what is safe, or
- where it will end."
- - Emerson: Essay, "Circles"
-