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- From: hans@Software.Mitel.COM (Hans Johnsen)
- Newsgroups: alt.feminism,alt.folklore.urban
- Subject: Re: MacKinnon Suffers Snuff Harassment (was: Feminists, Radical and Otherwise)
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- Date: 20 Nov 92 13:19:00 GMT
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- quilty@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Humberto Humbertoldi) writes:
- >Oh, give me a break! Please. How can you find CONCRETE evidence that
- >something does NOT exitst!? I bet you can't provide any concrete
- >evidence that Santa Clause doesn't exist (actually, I'm probably going
-
- Ah well, nobody's perfect. Concrete is of course the wrong word. Perhaps
- substantial is a better word.
-
- >out on a limb on this one, since it's less than evident that you've
- >reached this conclusion based on your willingness to make wild
- >speculative leaps). If fifty years of intense effort, with no result,
-
- You show me where I have made any speculative leaps and PERHAPS I will
- agree with you here. Of course, you won't be able to show any.
-
- >to locate snuff films by the FBI, Congress, Dept. Justice, etc. -- not
- >to mention "feminists" like McK doesn't give a rather convincing piece
- >of NEGATIVE evidence, then I'm sure you'll NEVER be convinced they
- >don't exist.
-
- Yes, and I stated this exact point in my original post. I am (fairly)
- convinced that snuff films do NOT exist. I am unwilling to state
- unequivocally that they do not, but I will be EXTREMELY surprised if
- an example is found.
-
- Let's not forget that I jumped into this discussion because you (or
- someone) started disparaging the 'wild' accusations and stories made by
- abuse victims. I simply pointed out that there was some evidence there
- to suggest that they weren't so wild after all, and were in fact quite
- plausible given what concrete proof we have and a little bit of common
- sense (this is where the pornography came in. If there are no
- organizations for distributing illegal porn, how does it get
- distributed?).
-
- Your flame(s) of me were and are totally unjustified. I do not believe
- in Santa Clause, nor will my children. I do not believe in snuff films.
- I do believe, however, that there are sick people out there, and that
- terrible things are being done to children, and these things should not
- be discounted just because YOU feel they are unbelievable. And before
- someone flames me again because they read somethiong into my words that
- was not there, I am not saying 'guilty until proved innocent', I am
- saying investigate the claims with an open mind and find out if there
- is anything to them, rather than dismissing them outright as is often
- done now.
-
- --
- Take off all your clothes and walk down the street waving a machete
- and firing an Uzi, and terrified citizens will phone the police and
- report: "There's a naked person outside!" - Mike Nichols
-