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- From: schultz@unixg.ubc.ca (Stewart Schultz)
- Newsgroups: alt.feminism
- Subject: Re: Anacin (was: Re: Are Whites Worse Off in the Deep South?)
- Date: 20 Nov 1992 00:32:37 GMT
- Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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- References: <1992Nov17.213701.22286@panix.com> <1ec9ovINNi1d@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> <1992Nov18.142727.29358@panix.com>
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- In article <1992Nov18.142727.29358@panix.com>
- gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:
-
- >One of the things I was
- >trying to point out was that being in a dominant social
- >or political position did not necessarily appear to make
- >one happier than those dominated.
-
- But appearances can obviously be deceiving, since your impressions
- regarding greater happiness in black people don't apply to the
- population as a whole, as you clearly implied.
-
- >I alluded briefly to
- >the pre-Civil Rights South during a specific period of
- >observation, 1960-1964, and I did not say that blacks
- >were better off than whites except in a very limited
- >sense.
-
- Alluded briefly? I thought the whole point was that we cannot
- determine whether any particular subpopulation is 'worse off' except
- by examining social and economic structures. The medical
- epidemiology (both psychological and physical) of race flatly refutes
- this idea.
-
- So you still believe that blacks at this time and place were
- psychologically 'better off' (as you said in your response to Garry
- King)? Or just the blacks you interacted with? Do you think that you
- can conclude from your limited exposure that the black population as
- a whole was psychologically better off, at this time and place? If
- that's not what you were trying to conclude, then I'm afraid your
- comment was simply an irrelevant aside.
-
- >You have transformed that to "whites are [presumably in
- >the present] generally, globally, worse off." I've quoted
- >part of the transformation above, where we fade from the
- >Deep South to the world in one easy step.
-
- Sorry for the confusion about 'globally,' it's a reference to the
- psychological term 'global positive well-being,' a synonym for
- the popular 'happiness,' the term you were using. If your
- comments were not intended as support for a more general
- conclusion (in time and space) then they fail to support
- your -general- contention regarding the need to examine social
- and economic structures. Or are you saying that we only needed
- to examine these structures in the Deep South, in the years you
- were there, but in other times and places we don't need to
- examine these structures, and we can make valid racial comparisons
- based on established measures of well-being?
-
- Let's assess the situation. I'm saying that we can clearly conclude
- from medical epidemiology that the black population suffers from
- both psychological and physical deficits in well-being relative to the
- white population, in North America, today (and almost certainly at all
- times in the past, though the data are obviously missing). Hence, we
- can conclude that the black population is socially worse-off without
- any information regarding social or economic structures.
-
- Anything here that you disagree with?
-
- [pointless ad hominems deleted, cross-posted again]
-
- -S. Schultz
-
-