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- From: lynch@ils.nwu.edu (Richard Lynch)
- Subject: Re: Sex changes, was (Re: Self Appreciation)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.020553.24544@ils.nwu.edu>
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- References: <1992Nov17.191024.22626@netcom.com>
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:05:53 GMT
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- [Some time before I got to it, someone [Janice?] else was deleted.]
-
- In article <1992Nov17.191024.22626@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
- >-
- >-In article <1992Nov16.185735.25510@mr.med.ge.com> wendy@sundown.mil.wi.us writes:
- >->Rich Payne (payner@netcom.com) wrote:
- >->> Since you made a public anouncement, I hope you won't mind my asking why?
- >->> (The sex change that is)
- >->
- >->Why???? Because I am a woman. I just happened to get stuck inside of a man's
- >->body. While I have surpressed these emotions for many years, and tried to
- >->act as a man, I've always known I was female. The internal conflict is almost
- >->too much to bear. I doubt that you would understand. Most people don't,
- >->although more women seem to then men.
- >->
- >->> Rich
- >->
- >->Wendy
- >-
- >-Think about what we all experience as real differences between men and women.
- >-Men and women think, act, react, dream, ... differently.
- >
- >I would like to point out that Richard Lynch claims that these differences
- >are a matter of social conditioning. He has (as far as I can tell) denied
- >that biology plays any significant role.
-
- Talk about misrepresentation!!!
- 1. I agreed with you from day 1 that it was possible that biology was the
- reason for porn imbalance. You are the one who insists that it cannot be
- anything else.
- 2. We were arguing [note past tense] about pornography, not about all these
- other things.
-
-
- >I have problems reconciling the concept of a "women in a man's body" (or vice
- >versa) with the concept of sexual identity 100% assigned by social conditioning.
-
- Obviously either:
- a. sexual identity is not 100% assigned by social conditioning, or
- b. the social conditioning received by Wendy assigned a sexual identity not
- consistent with her physical body.
-
- I have problems understanding why you can't see these simple possibilities.
-
- >-Now, each one of you that strongly identifies with being male or female - take
- >-your current personality and picture it inside the body of the opposite sex.
- >-It would be damned awkward, confusing, at times humiliating as you would
- >-behave in a manner different from the "norm". Wouldn't you want to get
- >-back to a body you're comfortable in?
- >-
- >-I don't know about the statistics, but I've not yet heard of somebody
- >-changing their sex twice!
-
- >I have not heard of any such reverse sex changes either, but I wonder if
- >this is even medically possible with current medical technology.
-
- >-Nature/God tries out endless "variations on a theme" all the time. I don't
- >-know why people feel so threatened that someone is born gay
- >
- >It is still an open question as to whether anyone is born gay. I do not
- >claim to know one way or another BTW.
- >
- >- or that someone
- >-feels like a woman trapped inside the body of a man. Since our society
- >-has trouble accepting men who act like women, I think it's fine to use
- >-the technology we have to allow someone to be consistent in their nature and
- >-their appearance.
- >
- >If they so desire. But I wonder how such things are funded?
-
- Sometimes insurance covers it. I would surmise that there is at least one
- charity designed specifically to fund them. And, of course, there is always
- the possibility that one pays for it oneself.
- --
- "TANSTAAFL" Rich lynch@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu
-