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- From: lynch@ils.nwu.edu (Richard Lynch)
- Subject: Re: Child Support
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.014332.19053@ils.nwu.edu>
- Keywords: abortion
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- References: <1992Nov15.041315.7218@microsoft.com> <1992Nov16.001531.25073@ils.nwu.edu> <1992Nov16.081048.19399@microsoft.com>
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:43:32 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov16.081048.19399@microsoft.com> jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov16.001531.25073@ils.nwu.edu> lynch@ils.nwu.edu (Richard Lynch) writes:
- >>In article <1992Nov15.041315.7218@microsoft.com> jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes:
- >>>My assumption...which my hypothetical plan is an attempt to legislate...
- >>>is that I miss a period or two; I check with the doctor; the doctor
- >>>tells me; I tell him; he tells me what he wants; if he's in, we do
- >>>it jointly; if he's out, I take a hard look at myself and my finances
- >>>and I decide if I'm in or out.
- >>
- >> [examples of two who did it that way gone.]
- >>
- >>Yes, but it is your *choice* to tell the father, and your *choice* to listen to
- >>what he wants. The assumptions Don makes are completely consistent with your
- >>idea of how it works and your examples, it's just that with *your* personal
- >>values/ethics, you've only mapped out how *you* would do it [and how your
- >>friends did it]. I believe this is how *most* honorable people, in *most*
- >>cases would behave.
- >
- >I agree. It is also my choice to grab a knife and shove it in
- >someone's back. It is also my choice to get drunk every night.
- >It is also my choice to lie. It is also my choice to accuse someone
- >of rape (perjury). It is also my choice to practice insider trading.
- >It is also my choice to drive my car off a bridge if I'm unhappy.
- >It is also my choice to rape someone. Anyone can do anything they
- >want that they are physically able to do.
-
- All of which are ILLEGAL. Not informing the father is legal.
-
- >>Needless to say, others might do things a little differently...
- >
- >Naturally. The world is full of people who choose to act in
- >violent and/or destructive and/or hateful ways.
-
- Yes. And that's why we have laws and courts and police and suchlike.
-
- >>For a personal example, try to think of somebody you know who *wouldn't* tell
- >>the father...
- >
- >IE, a total and complete shithead? Or a rape/abuse victim? Or
- >the girlfriend who's lover has told her repeatedly that he doesn't
- >want any more kids, and who's told me that if she gets pregnant,
- >she'll get an abortion and may not even tell him?
-
- All of these are valid examples. Know anybody like the first?
-
- >:> I guess the point I'm trying to make is that while yes, anyone
- >can do anything that they want to do and are physically capable of
- >doing, that there are limits imposed by society and/or self.
-
- There are NOT limits posed by society at this time about notification.
-
- >If I went out on a date with you, you could probably rape me.
-
- Wouldn't
-
- >If we had sex and I got pregnant, I could probably not tell you.
-
- And would that be just?
-
- >Problem with dealing with humans is that it does require some trust.
-
- Another is that one that seems trustworthy might not be.
- --
- "TANSTAAFL" Rich lynch@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu
-