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- From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
- Subject: Re: MacKinnon Suffers Snuff Harassment (was: Feminists, Radical and Otherwise)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.003240.1719@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>
- Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
- References: <13531@hans>
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:32:40 GMT
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- hans@Software.Mitel.COM (Hans Johnsen) writes:
- :
- : Well, I haven't seen any evidence of a "vast, underground network", but
- : there is some evidence that such groups exist on a local level. In
- : fact there was a case in Western Canada just recently where members of
- : the local police force and several prominent citizens from several
- : small communities were investigated and eventually charged for what
- : amounted to the ritual abuse of some students at a day care centre.
-
- Investigated and charged does not mean that they did anything. Were
- they convicted? We have had a couple of cases here in the US - in all
- of them, then social workers taught the kids what to say. This came
- out when the videotapes of the "interviews" were reviewed.
-
- : This is at least enough evidence that I do not dismiss out of hand the
- : possibility of national and international organizations of these
- : people. There are, after all, national and international organizations
- : set up for the purpose of distributing illegal pornography (like S&M,
- : Bestiality, Snuff films (thats a joke son!)). The process would be the
- : same, word of mouth and common contacts.
-
- S&M and Beastiality photos would be illegal pornography in Canada, that
- is true. But then, a photograph of an exposed tit is also illegal
- pornography in much of Canada.
-
- How about some evidence that these national and international organizations
- exist?
-
- : I should point out that you seem to be under the impression that
- : skepticism works only one way. One should be skeptical about the
- : non-existence of these organizations/films/etc as well. Although in the
-
- Why? Is there any concrete evidence that they do exist? If so, how about
- providing some.
-
- : case of snuff films, the lack of evidence does point toward (although
- : not prove) their non-existence. I will be interested to see what
- : McKinnon can find. I will of course treat whatever evidence she
- : presents with the grain of sodium reduced salt substitute that any
- : information from someone who sets out to answer a question with the
- : answer already in mind.
-
- And, please define what you mean by such terms as "illegal pornography".
- I can only guess, depending on what I have heard from other Canadians.
-
- Bill
-