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- From: misdeva@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu (Devjani Mishra)
- Subject: Re: Socialism for Women (was Re: Child Support)
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- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:45:33 GMT
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- In article <Bxo11L.9yp@cs.psu.edu>, beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
- wrote:
- >
- > >In article <misdeva-111192175853@morse-college-kstar-node.net.yale.edu> misdeva@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu (Devjani Mishra) writes:
- > >>In article <BxJ8rF.J63@cs.psu.edu>, beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
- > >>wrote:
-
- > >> Do you have any trouble extending "protections"'s iron fist
- > >> into the public treasury to "protect" the womb rather than
- > >> what's in it -- ie., to pay for abortions?
- > >
- > >Abortion is a medical procedure. If I have to pay for appendectomies, I
- > >should have to pay for abortions.
- >
- > Abortion is, in general, an elective medical procedure.
-
- What about those abortions that are not elective? Generally, those aren't
- covered either.
-
- >
- > Do people have a right to demand that the government pay for face-lifts?
- >
- > Is the government responsible for paying for appendectomies
- > or are the insurance companies responsible?
-
- Medicare and Medicaid are government structures. The insurance companies
- (and I have dealt extensively with health insurance as a clinical
- bookkeeper, so I'm sure about this) don't have to pay things if they decide
- they don't want to. They especially don't have to pay if you are not
- insured.
-
- >
- > > I didn't get to keep my tax dollars
- > >from being used to kill Iraqis, did I?
- >
- > No, I assume you didn't.
- >
- > And you also weren't able to stop your tax dollars from paying for
- > draft-registration to enable sacrificing men quickly in time of need.
- >
- > It seems like this is precisely an example of your "iron fist" metaphor.
- >
- > You object to an "iron fist" on a woman's womb, but do you object
- > to an "iron fist" on a man's balls?
- >
- > Is it wrong to object, period?
-
- In a society as pluralistic as ours, I don't think it's plausible to allow
- objections. If each taxpayer were given the chance to make a laundry list
- of everything he/she did not wish to pay for, there would be no federal and
- potentially no state gov't. (That may not be such a bad thing - hmmm...:)
- )
-
-
- > >> I'd be happier with your socialism if it meant I, a man,
- > >> could retire to raise my children if I felt like it -- and
- > >> you'd foot the bill for my "freedom to choose."
- > >
- > >Look carefully. I didn't say "let's socialize child care".
- >
- > You said, "Someone has to pay for it, all of it."
- >
- > You implied that "people, parents, taxpayers, all" are responsible
- > for children.
- >
- > Don
- > --
- > beaver@cs.psu.edu Opinions from the PC-challenged
-
- Just as we are responsible for the rest of society. Or don't we need to
- worry about children's welfare?
-
-
-
- /- Devjani Mishra, Yale University
- / / misdeva@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu
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