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- From: koc5@quads.uchicago.edu (michael shalom kochin)
- Subject: Re: Plato & Women
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.214002.27465@midway.uchicago.edu>
- Keywords: Symposium, Plato, Women
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- References: <1992Nov13.224044.14030@wam.umd.edu>
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:40:02 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov13.224044.14030@wam.umd.edu> sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell) writes:
- >A while back someone brought up the subject of how Plato viewed women,
- >which inspired some questions for me that havent been answered. Any
- >philosophy, ancient Greek culture experts want to take a crack at it?
- >
- >Basically, in The Symposium, Plato claims that true love can only take
- >place between 2 men since love involves appreciating admirable qualities
- >in your lover while persuing the idea of beauty. According to Plato
- >women werent up for this, lacking these admirable qualities. Basically,
- >they were considered second rate people.
- >
- >Plato presents these views in a discourse between Diotima, a priestess/
- >female/second rate person who LECTURES the great Socrates?
- >
- >How can Plato think women lacked sufficent admirable qualities to be lovers
- >for men, yet think they have enough admirable qualities to lecture his
- >hero Socartes on the nature of love?
-
- This is a very good question.
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- One answer has to do with the nature of a Platonic dialogue, namely, that
- Plato never speaks in his own voice. This is especially true of the Symposium,
- where there are five (?) principal speakers, of whom Socrates, quoting
- Diotima, is only one. If the fact of Diotima's speech refutes the
- inferiority of women, then we would have to conclude that Plato did not
- in fact believe women to be inferior.
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- Second possibility is to ask why Plato thought that women are inferior.
- What reasons we find, and I'm currently working on this but don't have
- even a provisional answer, might not be true of Diotima.
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- At any rate, Plato thought
- that while woman are inferior as a class that does not mean that
- they are inferior individually. (Republic V) So that if Diotima
- was the only woman philosopher in the history of Greece her existence
- would not refute the claim that woman are on average less philosophical
- than men.
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