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- From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
- Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.002113.17034@netcom.com>
- Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
- References: <1992Nov9.225035.15414@midway.uchicago.edu> <1992Nov10.184649.24682@netcom.com> <1992Nov10.205935.17915@midway.uchicago.edu>
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:21:13 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov10.205935.17915@midway.uchicago.edu> mec6@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
- >payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
- >>mec6@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
- >
- >[on semi-nude calendars, etc.]
- >
- >>>What I'm saying is that it may not be very meaningful to compare
- >>>a bikini calendar of women to a Chippendale's calendar of men.
- >>
- >>Why or why not.
- >
- >This was outlined in a very long post which preceeded this one.
-
- Because one is sexist and one is not? I do not buy into this nonsense.
- Talk about double standards, this is a great example.
-
- >>>Maybe it would be *more* useful to compare a bikini calendar
- >>>of women to a calendar of bachelor men which listed their
- >>>incomes, assets, and number of credit cards.
- >>
- >>Maybe it would be more useful to compare a bikini calender to a can
- >>of motor oil, but I doubt it.
- >
- >I doubt it too. (Wow! Agreement!)
-
- Probably not, I just echoed your silly comments about the 'incomes,
- assets, and number of credit cards' with another equally valid silly
- comparison. Do we agree that both are silly invalid comparisons?
-
- >>>*That's* what I mean when I say that sexism is a two-way street, but
- >>>it necessarily doesn't operate in the same way to the different people.
- >>
- >>Is that not what feminists here claim is the problem with society?
- >
- >That it's sexist? That it works in different way for different people?
- >Yep. That's *exactly* what feminists think the problem is.
-
- So feminists then claim that a bikini calendar is sexist, but that a
- Chippendales calendar is not. Is this not a double standard?
-
- >>>Indeed, the very existence of "sexism" implies that there are double-
- >>>standards.
- >>
- >>So you defend the ones which might be to your advantage, even with
- >>similar to identical situations.
- >
- >No. I don't defend double-standards. I merely point out that they exist.
-
- I'm glad to hear that.
-
- >>>If the world was as full of Chippendale's calendars as it is full
- >>>of calendars of scantily clad women, I think it'd be silly to conclude
- >>>that the sexism has now simply doubled.
- >>
- >>Too bad, because it would indeed follow.
- >
- >How so, Rich? That men and women are *both* held up to standards of
- >beauty in the same way?
-
- This is not the topic. The calendars are. If bikini calendars are sexist,
- and suddenly there was an equal number of Chippendale's calendars, then the
- amount of sexism here is not changed. I get it, since the Chippendale's
- calendars are not sexist, the amount of sexism remains constant. Guess I
- missed that, sorry.
-
- >How is that sexist? It may be not nice, but I fail to see how it is sexist.
-
- So you feel that you are forced to try to look like a supermodel. Do you think
- fat guys get dates easily? Or easier than fat gals?
-
- >rini
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- Rich
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- payner@netcom.com
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