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- From: lynch@ils.nwu.edu (Richard Lynch)
- Subject: Re: Has the Fight changed before my very eyes?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.003754.2331@ils.nwu.edu>
- Keywords: feminism change fight indicators
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- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:37:54 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov15.135144.2075@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> mpon@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Malcolm Pon) writes:
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- >Lately, perhaps alerted to it by _Backlash_ (Faludi), I've been seeing a
- >lot of new arguments that for some reason we don't need to actively
- >pursue feminism, for instance, because apparently all its goals have
- >been fulfilled and those of us who continue are just nuts who are
- >overcompensating. We are told that the things we used as indicators
- >years ago, indicators of our plight and of how bad it had gotten are now
- >an indication of our new freedoms.
-
- I think it would be more correct to say that the nature of the work to be done
- has changed. Feminism is no longer the underdog. The ideal of equality for
- women is far more universally accepted. Feminists need to change tactics to
- realize this, and many feminists have failed to do so. As a result, people who
- would support feminism [here defined as equality for women], are being turned
- away by rhetoric that is no longer valid.
- It is time for feminisn to stop screaming for help [the help is there] and
- start quietly working on the nuts and bolts. Not that this hasn't happened
- some, but not enough.
-
-
- >A good example is this debate about swimsuit calendars and Chippendale
- >calendars and inherent sexism in objects and objectification. I've
- >skimmed through the replies for a while, and I've seen all manner of
- >argument, old and new... the most alarming arguments I've seen (ones
- >that put me most on edge) seem to imply that the freedom to be
- >objectified - to be able to be photographed so that her primary and
- >secondary sexual characteristics fulfill our beauty standards and then
- >to have her photographs sold to people who like to look at these things
- >- is a new one, and that it should be taken as just that, a freedom,
- >that we got through our pursuit of women's rights. I've also seen
-
- I must have missed the argument that this freedom was a result of the pursuit
- of women's rights. Basically the arguments I saw boiled down to 1st amendment,
- and that the inequality is going away because the Chippendale's are here.
-
-
- >arguments that the Chippendale calendars balance out the objectification
- >of female swimsuit wearers with objectification of male strippers. And,
- >I've seen arguments about how we can find equality in inequality - that
- >these calendars are a good way to show off and enhance "women's natural
- >attractiveness" and that we should be proud that we are able to do that
- >- that we shouldn't threaten that wonder by being too feminist.
-
- I don't recall the phrase "equality in inequality" either.
-
-
- >Please forgive my skepticism. I was taught, in the seventies, to be wary
- >of such arguments. Faludi reminded me of those warnings when I read her
- >book recently. Regardless of who's saying it here, it sounds a lot like
- >the garbage the New Right's been feeding us since it started talking.
- >
- >On the other hand, there are a lot of people who post here, sounding
- >like they've been careful about what they talk about, and careful aboutt
- >what they think... careful with logic and with language, who are saying
- >these same New Right things, so what do we do? Has feminism's weave
- >changed under my hardwalking feet, while I wasn't looking? Or is it
- >that the New Right is a closer enemy than we thought?
-
- Feminism has changed, in that it has come a long way. It needs to change more,
- though. Specifically, feminists who are interested in justice and in actually
- meeting their goals must adopt an equalitarian stance.
- --
- "TANSTAAFL" Rich lynch@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu
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