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- From: vpt@jytko.jyu.fi (V.-P. Tahvanainen)
- Subject: Bruckner, Mahler, and DS (was Re: 10th symphony)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.124548.3408@jyu.fi>
- Summary: I nevertheless don't like the 7th and 12th
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- Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
- References: <1992Nov8.205539.502@bnlux1.bnl.gov> <13827@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> <1ecok7INNc61@escargot.xx.rmit.OZ.AU>
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:45:48 GMT
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- In article <1ecok7INNc61@escargot.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> s892024@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Richard A. Muirden [GA]) writes:
- >bobn@hawkwind.central.Sun.COM (Bob Netherton) writes:
- >
- [I do hope the names still refer to the actual writers, must be the n+1th
- time this comes up.]
-
- >>|> Shostakovich Symphony No. 11 ("1905")
- >>|> Leopold Stokowski
- >>|> Houston Symphony Orchestra
- >>|> Angel CDC-7 47419 2
- >
- >>Here I would heartily recommend the Haitink again.
- >
- >Why does noone give the DePriest a look in? I think his 11 is fantastic,
- >though his 10 is crap...
- >
- >
- >>Am I the only one here that likes the 7th and 12th ? Come on, where are
- >>the all the Bruckner and Mahler cross-overs ??????
- >
- Well, I don't know if I'm a cross-over since I like Bruckner and
- Mahler at least as much as Shostakovich; perhaps Mahler the most.
- (And no, I'm not writing this from the funny farm :-)) Yet I think
- DS has 14 other better symphonies (incl. Stepan Razin's execution)
- than those two...
-
- >nope, I like the 7 and 12. just played the 12 before. Interesting though the
- >notes on my recording of the 12th (Jarvi on DG) says that the 12th is his
- >(Shosts) worst symphony. Most prob. because it toes the party line more than
- >any other (with possible exception of the 2nd and 3rd). And it is rather
- >formal type stuff.... (but dare I say FORMALIST? No! don't confuse me!)
- >
- Twelfth formal?! What do you mean? I simply think both lack any viable
- musical ideas at least in comparison to DS's better work. I recall the
- Finnish conductor Paavo Berglund remarking about the 12th that it is
- painful to see the places in the score where DS clearly ran out of
- ideas... Perhaps he just did not put his heart to a 'party line' work.
- >>--
- >>Bob Netherton | You see the signs, they're always there
- >>Sun Microsystems | But you know you never care
- >>Dallas, Tx | You are always looking for another reason
- >>bob.netherton@central.Sun.COM | ==== Hawkwind, Paradox
- >--
- >Richard Muirden, System Administator, RMIT.Aero. Engineering.. Office: 10.12.26
- >raeram@kittyhawk.aero.rmit.OZ.AU, s892024@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU 'phone: 660-3142
- >ram@lionet.wesley.OZ.AU, ram@coombs.anu.edu.au - in case you don't like RMIT! :)
- >---------Hopeless Romantic, Fanatic of Shostakovich and "Star Trek" ------------
-
- Veli-Pekka
-
- Veli-Pekka Tahvanainen, researcher, project MetaPHOR / All opinions are solely
- Dept. of Computer Science & Information systems / mine unless explicitely
- University of Jyvaskyla / otherwise stated, and
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