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- From: grendel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alyosha Bourgea)
- Subject: Re: Here Are The Undeniable Truths of Life
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- Date: 19 Nov 92 01:36:37 GMT
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- In <26671@optima.cs.arizona.edu> hogue@cs.arizona.edu (Justin C. Hogue) writes:
-
- >In article <grendel.722041805@camelot> grendel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alyosha Bourgea) writes:
- >[stuff deleted]
- >>>24. Feminism was established so that unattractive women could have
- >>> access to the mainstream of society.
- >>Absolute bullshit, possibly the most offensive of Limbaugh's bogus "truths".
- >>Limbaugh insults and ignores what he does not understand or what makes him
- >>uncomfortable. He prefers to wallow in his own illusions. This contention
- > ^^^^^^^^^
- > I suppose his "right wing" illusions are worse than the "left wing"
- >illusions. Education (a very ambiguous one) solves everything. Getting
- >rid of weapons will rid us of war (unless one guy siezes the moment).
- >Affirmative action will relieve us of all racism: although ignorant I admit,
- >many people will blame minorities for their problems, citing that the minority
- >couldn't compete for the job, but was placed there simply because of their
- >minority status. This would cause even more hatred.
-
- This is _your_ idea of the "left wing" illusions. Remember that there is no
- liberal equivalent to Rush Limbaugh. Despite all the "liberal media" flap,
- there's no liberal talk show host out there telling people "How It Ought To
- Be". Limbaugh makes a list of his conservative opinion, masquerading as
- undeniable truth. Liberals make no such egotistical contention.
-
- I consider myself a liberal's liberal, more or less. My response to your
- list of "left-wing illusions":
-
- --Education will not solve everything, but it is the building block upon which
- most future solutions rest, and it is being neglected.
-
- --Getting rid of weapons decreases the possibility of war, but people will
- always have violent impulses. We currently have more weapons than we could
- ever hope to need, and we currently spend far too much on weapons that are
- totally redundant.
-
- --Affirmative action _is_ racism.
-
- > I, like most people, don't agree with 100% of Rush's (if I may call him
- >that) ideas, but who agrees with 100% of anybody's? What he thinks you
- >consider illusion, what you think I consider illusion. Besides, who does
- >understand the feminist movement?
-
- I don't think anyone understands it completely, but certainly the more one
- has been involved in it, the more one understands of it. I've not been nearly
- as active as women I know, but for a man I think I'm fairly well aware of the
- realities of it--certainly more than Mr. Limbaugh.
-
- I just thought of it as low esteemed
- >women. My girlfriend is smarter and more charasmatic than I, and I consider
- >her "better" than myself, and she didn't have to partake in any Feminism
- >thing to prove that to me or anybody.
-
- I think this constitutes an unfortunate lack of self-esteem on your part.
- I'm also involved with the men's rights movement, and it's just as sexist
- and self-destructive to call a woman "better" than you, or even smarter or
- more charismatic. Feminism isn't about proving anything; it isn't about
- domination or feminine machismo. Feminism is about improving social
- consciousness wrt women, and about improving equal rights for women.
- It's not about S&M.
-
-