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- From: sieferme@stein.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
- Subject: Re: Re. Integrity
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.170357.14405@u.washington.edu>
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- Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
- References: <1992Nov16.220248.27226@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <wilder.721964511@mik.uky.edu> <carlson.722007837@cwis>
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:03:57 GMT
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- In article <carlson.722007837@cwis> carlson@cwis.unomaha.edu (Brian D. Carlson) writes:
-
- > BTW I am a conservative, and I know why I am a conservative. My
- >parents are both liberals. The majority of my family are liberals. I
- >just don't agree with the idea that the state is the answer to all our
- >problems.
-
- I don't know any liberals who think that the state is the
- answer to all our problems. For that matter, none of the
- socialists I know believe this. If your family believes this,
- they must be monarchists or something similar. If they
- don't believe this, then you are distorting their beliefs.
-
- >I don't think that the state should fund any and all abortions
- >for whatever reason they may be wanted. I believe that people should
- >have incentive for hard work, and those who don't work hard shouldn't be
- >patted on the hand with entitlements that cost our government (that's
- >you and I) the majority of our budget.
-
- BTW, I was a semi-conservative, semi-libertarian as a college
- youth in the early 1970's (before such beliefs became
- fashionable). One of the (many) reasons I left this ideology
- was the endless honking by conservatives about "hard" work.
- As I got older, I discovered that people like unmarried
- single mothers and migrant farm workers work a lot "harder"
- than the suburbanites I was raised with, certainly a lot
- harder than trust fund bums like Dan Quayl or the beltway
- bandits who gorged themselves during the Reagan/Bush years.
- And if you don't think that poor people don't already
- have enough "incentive" for work, you must never have
- seen hundreds of people line up at a factory door for
- one job opening.
-
- > I know why I am conservative, and for one to judge someone as
- >conservative only because of Mommy and Daddy is a well thought out slam,
- >but why not think about why they have really chosen to adopt a
- >conservative philosophy.
-
- Very true. Youthful rebellion would be a better explanation;
- it certainly was a dominant force among most of
- my hippie friends.
-
- >The reason education produces a lot of liberals
- >is because (at least in my experience) there is a lot of liberal bias in
- >text books, and in lobby organizations (NEA for example).
-
- The only reason you see a "liberal" bias in textbooks is
- due to you (apparently) extreme right wing position.
- Try reading a liberal or socialist critique of the
- US education system for a different perspective.
-
- > I have had more history teachers who were such diehard femenists
- >that they couldn't actually teach the subject matter because they were
- >too busy trying to rewrite the past to make women the hunters and men the
- >gatherers, than I have had conservative teachers who couldn't teach because
- >they were trying to push their views on their students.
-
- Some self-identified feminists (who are definitely NOT all
- liberal, BTW) are indeed wacko. But most of the feminist historians
- I've known or read are trying to correct the easily
- documented biases, inaccuracies, and slights of "normal"
- history textbooks.
-
- > The one thing I don't understand is this. If liberalism is the
- >ultimate anser to all of our countries ills, why are the majority of
- >liberals I have met bitter and seemingly miserable people, while the
- >majority of conservatives I have met are easy going people who seem much
- >more happy with who they are in life?
-
- If this is true, it may be due to the believe common to
- some conservatives that if a person is suffering, it is
- due entirely to the inadequacies of the sufferer,
- and that no one else has any responsibility in the matter.
- If one is well off, and one also believes that one
- DESERVES to be well off, it is easy to be satisfied
- and complacent. However, I have found bitterness
- among people of every political persuasion. For example,
- the Limbots I hear (including ol' Rush himself)
- sound extremely bitter, angry, resentful, and shrill.
-
-
-
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