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- From: shallit@graceland.uwaterloo.ca (Jeffrey Shallit)
- Subject: Re: the real Reagan record
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- Organization: University of Waterloo
- References: <92317.211208KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> <BxrHru.JCs@math.uwaterloo.ca> <92320.120538DURRETT@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:57:38 GMT
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- In article <92320.120538DURRETT@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <DURRETT@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
- >
- >In article <BxrHru.JCs@math.uwaterloo.ca>, shallit@graceland.uwaterloo.ca
- >(Jeffrey Shallit) says:
- >>
- >>In article <92317.211208KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> Kurt Ludwick
- >><KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
- >>>
- >>>The truth is,
- >>>people in -all- income brackets, as a whole, did better in the 80s because
- >>>of supply-side economics.
- >>
- >>Not according to Kevin Phillips, the *conservative* political commentator.
- >>His book, The Politics of Rich and Poor, is a devastating critique of
- >>the Reagan-Bush economic legacy. Table I, on page 17, reveals that
- >>average family income, in *constant dollars*, *decreased* for the bottom
- >>8 of the ten deciles from 1977 to 1988. Only for the top 10% of Americans
- >>was there any significant increase, and that increase was highly
- >>concentrated in the top 1%.
- >>
- >>Jeff Shallit
- >
- >Look, I'm as ready as anyone to bash the heads of state for the last n
- >years(where n is a large number), but if you wish me to agree that this
- >statistic in anyway reflects the performance of the economy, especially
- >how the performance of the economy affected people with various income
- >levels differentially, under what we are assuming is the ReaganBush
- >Philosophy(tm), then you're out to lunch. From 1977-1980, inclusive,
- >Jimmy Carter was in office!
-
- Fine -- then *you* provide the statistics for 1981-1988. From what
- I've seen, they will not differ substantially from the above --
- unless you want to argue that under Carter, median family income
- dropped dramatically and never recovered under Reagan.
-
- >This is very likely a good example of lying with statistics.
-
- One wonders what motivation *conservative Republican*
- Phillips would have for lying.
-
- If you accuse him of lying based on my single excerpt, I would
- say that it is *you* who are out enjoying the noontime meal.
- The very least you can do is read his book first.
-
- > What we
- >really need to address the issue properly is the same statistic for the
- >period 1982-19<latest available>. This number will demonstrate
- >conclusively the validity of this sort of argument(though I would argue
- >that more complete statistics, including a breakdown by quintile or
- >decile would be preferable). Personally, though, I don't *care* if the
- >rich got richer, so long as everyone gained in real terms.
-
- One wonders how "everyone" could gain in real terms, if family income
- declined for 80% of the populace, measured in constant dollars. Are
- you arguing that prices for goods and services went down significantly
- from 1977 to 1988?
-
- Phillips addresses in detail other measures of the economy,
- including America's shrinking share of global wealth, and the
- increasing inequity between rich and poor.
-
- >My suspicion
- >is that the perceived failure(whether real or not) of so-called
- >trickle-down economics is due largely to the fact that we financed it
- >by running up the debt, thus sucking much of the money which should
- >have financed investment in productive jobs at low overhead(i.e., more
- >goods/jobs/services per dollar invested) into $600 toilet seats,
-
- This is also addressed in detail in Phillips, Chapter 4.
-
- >""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
- >Roo-Dog Rip is: <>SLAC, Stanford, the DOE and the
- >Derrell Durrett <>University of Colorado neither claim
- >D_DURRETT@COLOPHYS.BITNET <>responsibility nor accept liability
- >D_DURRETT%KAOS@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU <>for my opinions. Gee- what a surprise.
-
- Jeff Shallit
-
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-