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- From: farant@terapin.com (Faran Thomason)
- Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
- Subject: Re: Tsui Hark filmography?
- Message-ID: <farant.29oa@terapin.com>
- Date: 19 Nov 92 04:53:54 GMT
- References: <Ef2NREW00WBME7mlF2@andrew.cmu.edu>
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- In article <Ef2NREW00WBME7mlF2@andrew.cmu.edu>, Daniel Read
- <dr3u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
- >
- >>1. According to the Incredibly Strange Filmshow segment on Tsui, it is
- >>generally accepted that Tsui takes a keen interest in anything that
- >>bears his name.
- >
- >>2. After people
- >>have worked for Hark, they do seem to change a bit.
- >
- >>3. They also claim that many of the films that he produces,
- >>bear more of a resemblance to Hark films than the films done previously
- >>by the directors. Compare the early John Woo films to the ones that
- >>Hark produced and you get a good idea of what they mean.
- >
- >
- >Undoubtedly 1 & 2 are true. I would be surprised if Tsui (or anybody)
- >didn't take a "keen interest" in anything that bore his name. I'm sure
- >that working with a master like Tsui would influence your work. The
- >third claim is a bit subjective and I'm not sure how much data we have
- >to support it. (John Woo is the only case -- Ching Siu Tung has always
- >been associated with Hark). Woo's budgets skyrocketed after the
- >tremendous success of A BETTER TOMORROW, and this may have a lot to do
- >with his stylistic evolution.
- >
- >Nonetheless, I think people generally like Tsui Hark for being Ching Siu
- >Tung -- whose films (A CHINESE GHOST STORY, SWORDSMAN II) are apparently
- >the paradigmatic Tsui films. Maybe I've seen the wrong Tsui Hark
- >(directed) films, but his style seems very different than either
- >Ching's or Woo's. (Compare A BETTER TOMORROW III with THE KILLER). Not
- >only his style but his tone (lighter than either Ching or Woo) and the
- >themes he chooses to explore (usually related to modern Chinese history)
- >differ from his fellows. I cannot imagine Woo or Ching making SHANGHAI
- >BLUES, Tsui or Ching making HARDBOILED, or Woo or Tsui making A CHINESE
- >GHOST STORY. In fact, when I first saw CHINESE GHOST STORY III I
- >understood that Tsui had directed it and I was surprised because it
- >seemed so much like one of Ching's films. It turned out, in fact, that
- >it was by Ching.
- >
- >I don't want to suggest that there is a huge gulf between these artists.
- > However, they are auteurs whose work shows much of their own
- >personality influenced by their mentors and associates.
- >
- >Incidentally, the fact that The Incredibly Strange Filmshow said
- >something doesn't mean anything to me. I've seen lots of these films, I
- >think about them a lot, and I'm sure I have at least as great an ability
- >to make such evaluations as the program's researchers. Likewise, why
- >should you cite them? Look at the films (properly credited) and think
- >about them. If you do so and still doubt my claim then lets talk about
- >it.
- >
- >daniel
- >
- >
- Well I think part of the problem in ciging who directed what is that the
- English translations are poor and innacurate. And Tsui Hark is synonomous with
- Chinese Ghost Story the same way George Lucas is with Empire Strikes back or
- Raiders of the lost ark-and he did not direct either of those films.
-
- Also it is apparant that Hark does NOT have a definate style. Working Class is
- different from Peking Opera Blues. As ABT 3 differs from Once Upon a Time in
- China. However it does seem that John Woo does have a style(at least for his
- action pics)-as does Ching Tsu Tung-although I have only seen fantasy pics from
- him.
-
- However--The bottom line is that all 3 directors make really cool films!!!
-