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- From: morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan)
- Subject: Re: [alt.dreams] Re: McElwaine's postings (was Re: THE DIVINE
- MASTERS, and Dreams)
- References: <1992Nov16.141707.12807@eff.org>
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.144854.9296@ms.uky.edu>
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:48:54 GMT
- Organization: University of Kentucky Engineering Computing Center
- Lines: 61
-
- >Newsgroups: alt.dreams
- >From: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
- >Subject: Re: McElwaine's postings (was Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS, and Dreams)
- >
- >Many thanks to Gary Trujillo for bringing to light attempts to muzzle
- >Robert McElwaine. McElwaine's beliefs couldn't be farther from my own,
- >but attempts to deprive him of his rights by revoking his "privleges"
- >are unacceptable.
-
- Um, his privileges aren't being revoked yet; see my comments below.
-
- >I wonder if McElwaine would be experiencing the same difficulties if
- >the content of his messages were in praise of the Reublican Party or
- >the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals?
-
- I think so; again, see my later comments for details.
-
- >I suggest we all send Robert McElwaine a message of support at
- >mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu, and a message of protest about his
- >treatment to Charles Brenner (data systems manager?) at
- >cbrenner@uwec.edu.
-
- I suggest that we take a step back and look at the entire picture.
-
- Mr. McElwaine has been sending materials to several (many?) electronic
- mailing lists and bulletin boards. These materials seem to have little
- in common with the ongoing discussions on those lists/boards/groups. I
- would suggest that the mere existence of a mailing list does NOT imply
- that it may be used as a forum for unlimited free expression.
-
- [ I run a mailing list for StarServer owners/admins; I don't want to see ]
- [ traffic that deals with far-removed subjects. It's a pain, and it de- ]
- [ tracts from the direction of the list. ]
-
- The owners/operators/moderators of those lists have the ability to ensure
- that their forum remains "on topic"; this capability is part of the "limited
- public forum" doctrine endorsed by the Supreme Court. Therefore, it is pro-
- per for these owners/operators/moderators to request that such "off topic"
- activies cease.
-
- Assuming that these requests were, in fact, made and that they were, in
- fact, ignored, a complaint to the appropriate administrator would be proper.
- The owners/operators/moderators of a mailing list or bulletin board have an
- obligation to their subscribers.
-
- [ Again, I would make similar complaints if someone flooded my mailing list ]
- [ with, say, Clinton-Gore OR Bush-Quayle political hoohah. My subscribers ]
- [ are interested in StarServer information, not political crud; they have ]
- [ any number of fora which provide that information. ]
-
- I noticed one very important thing in the included message. Apparently,
- no action will be taken against this fellow UNLESS he ignores a request
- to cease such activity. I consider that a fair compromise.
-
- --Wes
-
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