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- Subject: Re: Science and god: Are they incompatible? If so, why?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.174549.14333@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
- From: jwwalden@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (P'relan)
- Date: 20 Nov 92 17:45:49 -0500
- References: <1e88haINN5jv@gap.caltech.edu> <1992Nov16.214120.27547@midway.uchicago.edu> <1992Nov17.222747.14300@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> <1ef045INNmv6@gap.caltech.edu>
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- In article <1ef045INNmv6@gap.caltech.edu>, ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz) writes:
- > P'relan writes:
- >>No, even one violation of the physical laws invalidates science. Extremely
- >>limited intervention does not prevent science from being *useful* though it
- >>remove any chance of it being correct which may be what you meant by not
- >>invalidating science.
- >
- > Hmmm. Depends. Maybe you can expand science to cover the violations. In
- > other words, if the rules as known are being violated, start studying when
- > the violations occur. Then classify them, and start theorizing how such
- > violations could occur.
- >
- > The only reason we can't study the rules outside the universe ('outside the
- > pinball machine') is lack of access to this outside. By studying the actions
- > of a being outside the machine, could we get some idea of the being's nature
- > and thus the nature of the outside?
-
- I think from Michael's description of the pinball universe, there wasn't
- way of systemizing the violations, certainly there isn't from an omnipotent
- being who could do anything, in order to incorporate them into the laws
- of physics. Now if you could come up with metalaws valid for Fred and the
- pinball universe then you wouldn't have a problem.
-
- > The next time Jesus Christ shows up, I say we draft him and send him to
- > Caltech to be studied! ;)
-
- Hey! Keep those Chemists away from any deities - Physics is more fundamental
- so we should get to study them first! (-:
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- P'relan (and Birith) ``Time stand still -
- jwwalden@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu I'm not looking back -
- or jwwalden@miavx1.bitnet But I want to look around me now.'' - RUSH
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