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- From: jpalmer@onetouch.COM (John Palmer)
- Subject: Re: Science and god: Are they incompatible? If so, why?
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- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 18:30:14 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.183014.4859@onetouch.COM>
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- mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer) writes:
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- >>= "To be fair, they're hardly saying that people should go
- >>=around having unprotected sex. Their line is that the main point of
- >>=sex is procreation within a monogamous marriage, and that sex which is
- >>=_not_ directed towards that is sinful.
-
- >>StM corrects him, "I'm afraid you're a bit out of date, Michael. The new
- >>catechism (released a couple of days ago; so far the only version is in French)
- >>allows that sex for pleasure within a marriage is not a sin, if done in
- >>moderation. At least that's what the newspaper article I read about it says."
-
- > "My impression was that intentionally deriving pleasure from
- >sex was not a sin according to the new catechism, but for that to be
- >the sole purpose of even marital sex would be. However, I'm as
- >handicapped as you by the filtering through newspaper accounts. The
- >newspapers I've seen have emphasized that the reiteration of the
- >prohibition on contraception is based on the belief that sex is
- >primarily a procreative act."
-
- This is correct; any act of sex must allow the possibility of conception,
- under catholic doctrine. Making an intentional and 'sure' barrier to that is
- considered wrong. . . thus any form of birth control that attempts artificially
- to prevent birth is wrong. Rhythm is allowable because it does not
- specifically prevent conception; it is only taking advantage of the fact that
- conception will not take place. (in theory, at least.)
-
- Ol' JP II might not like me for saying this but the Catholic Church is
- worse than a bunch of lawyers in some ways.
-
-
- >they've changed so thoroughly as that, though. All of the excerpts
- >I've seen indicate that nonprocreative sex remains classed as a sin,
- >whether marital or nonmarital-- and, conversely, nonmarital sex
- >remains a sin whether procreative or nonprocreative. Of course
- >they're two different adjectives, but as far as I know Catholic
- >doctrine only approves the intersection of marital and [potentially]
- >procreative sex. Failing in either condition places an act in the
- >class of sexual sin, and I don't know if there's any distinction in
- >the way a transgression in one or the other condition is treated.
- >(And no, I can't explain Vatican approval of "natural family
- >planning", though doubtless some cynic will say because it doesn't
- >work. In fact, my understanding is that while the traditional
- >"rhythm" method is only slightly better than the more traditional
-
- Again, since the possibility of conception is not being artificially over
- ridden, non procreative sex is okay. . .
-
- (Exceedingly cynical mode on)
- I guess God's powerful enough to over-ride infertility, menopause, and
- so forth, but not powerful enough to break a condom or put a miscolored sugar
- pill into the wrong slot.
- (exceedingly cynical mode off. . . I really DO understand their viewpoint,
- but the Catholic Church claims it is a sin not to beleive in God's power, then
- makes up all these rules that you MUST ABSOLUTELY FOLLOW to leave youself open
- to God's will. . . and I think that they're missing the boat in this respect.
- Sorry to any Catholics who're offended by these statements.)
-
-
- John/The Crazyman
-
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