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- From: mjmh@crsa.bu.edu (Michael J M Holmes)
- Newsgroups: alt.callahans
- Subject: Re: God and Science: The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
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- Date: 20 Nov 92 21:32:52 GMT
- References: <1992Nov17.021617.14308@data-io.com> <102503@bu.edu> <1ehjm9INNjma@phakt.usc.edu>
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- In article <1ehjm9INNjma@phakt.usc.edu> pechever@phakt.usc.edu (Paul Echeverri) writes:
- >Impu-Sebek trudges in the door...strange, you didn't see him leave. He
- >looks awfully weary, and he has good reason: 2.5 hours of sleep last night
- >in misguided preparation for a debate class. Well, it paid off, the debate
- >went well, and here he is in Callahan's. A spiderweb of silver chains flies
- >through the air, gently draping itself over Mike's head.
- >"Hot cocoa, Mike. Keep 'em coming till someone passes out."
- >As he slumps he catches a fragment of conversation from his friend /*:
-
- [edited for space!]
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- "Congratulations on the debate! And it seems to me you're still
- in <Dan Rather voice on> Debate Mode <Dan Rather voice off>."
- /* smiles, because he almost always enjoys discussions.
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- >Yawning mightily, Impu-Sebek manages to say, "I think I'll take exception to
- >that, /*. Love is always conditional. Let's have an example:
- > "You have a SO. Sie is basically your ideal (I'll take the liberty of
- > defining 'ideal' as the sociologically predominant type: Tender,
- > thoughtful, sensitive, gorgeous, great cook...your ideal might be nine
- > feet tall, hairy, bazooka-toting, and nicknamed 'snake', but you
- > get the essential concept). You love your SO. Sie loves you.
- > Dandy up till now: Sie avoids you, boffs other people on YOUR
- > couch, becomes slatternly, etc. Would you still love hir?
- > Most people wouldn't. So we see love is contingent upon certain
- > personality aspects of the loved one, which are supposed to remain
- > relatively constant. So that's a condition, and (I daresay) a nearly
- > universal one.
-
- "I don't take exception to your disagreement. I didn't necessarily
- expand on what I meant - I just sort of dropped the bomb, so to speak!"
-
- "I tend to separate loving someone from 'being *in* love' with someone.
- So, for me, love is something that extends to family, friends, as well
- as SO's. Plus, I end up 'in love' with my SO."
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- /* pauses a moment, because right now any SO in his life is strictly
- hypothetical!
-
- "In the case you mention, I would feel hurt and angry, absolutely! But
- I've often been angry with my mother, hurt by my brother, etc - yet I
- *still* loved them! With this rather unpleasant SO that you mention,
- I would *immediately* reevaluate the relationship, probably plummet out
- of love, but probably retain 'love' in the wider sense. With such
- strong emotional ties, I don't thing I could (or have ever been able to)
- lose the broader feeling of love for someone I once was 'in love' with."
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- "It still seems to me that if you expect or need something from someone
- in order to love them, it isn't really love - rather something
- selfish, possessive, or self-centered."
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- >"Of course, you did specify that this definition of love as unconditional is
- >yours, personally, so feel free to ignore me on this, but I just thought I'd
- >blurt it out. Here, have some plums."
- >He draws some very large, very fresh plums from the inner pocket of his
- >dark green trenchcoat and hands them to /*.
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- /* takes the plums. "Thanks! You're right, it is just my definition -
- but its the only one I personally have been able to work with in my life.
- It may not work for other people; then again, this could all be just a
- matter of semantics."
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- >He sips at a mug of steaming cocoa, then settles off to slumber, wrapping
- >himself in his trenchcoat. The baliset rests quietly between his legs.
- >Mike shrugs, and puts the cocoa pot on the hot plate, to keep it warm.
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- "Enjoy your rest - you shouldn't push yourself too hard!"
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