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- From: dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu (David Green)
- Subject: Re: Science and god: Are they incompatible? If so, why?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov18.212612.5523@muddcs.claremont.edu>
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- Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
- References: <1992Nov17.223926.14301@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> <1992Nov18.043643.16303@muddcs.claremont.edu> <1edn7hINNrsm@gap.caltech.edu>
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:26:12 GMT
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- (Yes, I know I already followed up to this article. But something occurred
- to me since then that I feel is worth saying.)
-
- In article <1edn7hINNrsm@gap.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
- ->In article <1992Nov18.043643.16303@muddcs.claremont.edu>, dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu (David Green) writes:
- ->=->Then again, why does believing in a deity or being a Christian, make you
- ->=->more moral than anyone else? Especially when empirical evidence doesn't
- ->=->show a clear cut difference.
- ->
- ->=Because I happened to draw my moral code from the teachings of the Bible. If
- ->=I didn't have the Bible, things might be different.
- ->
- ->That means that if someone behaves exactly like a Christian (except he doesn't
- ->go to church), then he's STILL less moral than the Christian? Who was it who
- ->said something like "By their fruits shall ye know them"?
-
- I think this discussion has gotten a little off-base by this point. I am
- not a Christian because it makes me better before men, but because, in some
- sense, it makes me better before God. The purpose behind my Christianity
- is not so that I can go around and point out people and say "I'm better/
- more moral/whatever than you," but because I believe that there is a God
- as described in the Bible. So my morality is not something of the world
- (i.e., something defined and laid out by mankind) but of God. In that
- sense, then, I am more moral before God because I am following the guide-
- lines that He laid out.
-
- As far as someone who follows these same moral guidelines, but doesn't
- believe that he has them from God (as I assume that StM was trying to
- ask), it's not really my domain to say. If you'll notice the last line
- in my .signature, "I have not been appointed Judge, Jury, or Executioner
- by God. Just witness."--this is not something I stick down there merely
- because I think it sounds neat, but because I believe it's true. I'm
- not going to be the one judging people, and their beliefs and actions,
- on Judgment Day. That's God's domain, and I leave the task to Him. I
- don't rightly know, either, how you propose that one would be following
- the Christian morals that I perceive without believing in God or that
- that's their origin, but that, I think, is relatively moot to the point.
- --
- dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu David "Mishael" Green
- Have you scritched your local Furry today?
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- I have not been appointed Judge, Jury, or Executioner by God. Just witness.
-