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- From: dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska)
- Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
- Subject: Re: Nazism and Socialism (was: LaRouche is a fucking Nazi!)
- Keywords: Socialism
- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.182044.25322@vexcel.com>
- Date: 23 Nov 92 18:20:44 GMT
- References: <1116@bug.UUCP> <13NOV199222300153@reg.triumf.ca> <1137@bug.UUCP>
- Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder CO
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- In article <1137@bug.UUCP> stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce) writes:
- >In article <13NOV199222300153@reg.triumf.ca> orwell@reg.triumf.ca
- >(BALDEN, RON) writes:
- ><In article <1116@bug.UUCP>, stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce) writes...
- ><>In article <1992Oct28.195121.9455@vexcel.com> dean@vexcel.com
- ><>(Dean Alaska) writes:
- ><>>Note that the party of Adolf Hitler was a fascist party that had the
- ><>>word "socialist" in its name.
- ><>
- ><>And correctly so. Nazism was a form of socialism. Most or at least many
- ><>of the important industries were nationalized under the Nazis.
- ><
- ><This is quite wrong;
- >
- >No, it is indisputably correct. And many prominent socialists of the day
- >(before the war) had no problem admitting this and approving of *some* of
- >Hitler's actions, although certainly not all of them, nor necessarily his
- >reasons for doing them. You can read about this in, "The Road to Serfdom",
- >by F. A. Hayek.
-
- Most socialists and communists I have read of did NOT identify with the
- Nazis and were horrified when Stalin made his agreement with them.
- >
- >I don't think your problem is so much with me, Ron, as it is with the
- >truth. You seem to gauge truth by how it reflects (in your mind) on
- >socialism. Saying that National Socialism is a form of socialism, is no
- >more an attack on other forms of socialism, than saying Hitler was a human
- >being is an attack on you (or me). It is simply the truth in both cases.
-
- You are representing your opinion as absolute truth. This is the
- definition of dogma. That Hayek, or other individuals, connect
- National Socialism with socialism does not make it so. That many
- disagree makes it a minority opinion. Whether or not it was
- intended as a smear I am not too concerned with because it just
- isn't true. There is a tendency among some laissez faire fans to
- define any country with even minimal governmental involvement in
- economic matters as soclialist. Is a system defined by its
- dominant attributes or the miniscule ones that an individual's
- ideology wishes to focus on?
- >
- >--
- >orstcs!opac!bug!stevef I am the NRA Steven R. Fordyce
- >uunet!sequent!ether!stevef . . . Deer are for Dinner
-
-
- --
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- dingo in boulder (dean@vexcel.com)
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